Oregon's Brazenly Stupid Repeal Of Tsunami Zone Building Restriction (Bandon: houses, buy)

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by mlulu23

Someone on this thread already said that theirs had been taken down at one time. Not everybody knows what to do to escape a tsunami, and time is of the essence. if they did know, then large numbers of people would not have died from tsunamis worldwide.

Why would you discourage laws that would possible prevent signs from being removed? People know they aren't supposed to speed while driving, but they do it anyway. I guess you could just do nothing, and gamble with lives.

BS, no signs have been taken down. Hundreds of them have been put up, in the last few years. Please stop spreading misinformation.

State adding tsunami warning signs along U.S. 101 - oregonlive.com

[mlulu23]

Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz

BS, no signs have been taken down. Hundreds of them have been put up, in the last few years. Please stop spreading misinformation.

State adding tsunami warning signs along U.S. 101 - oregonlive.com

Well, that was rude. Sorry, but you are incorrect. Look at post #23 on page 3 where the mod said the following, and I quote, then yell at her instead.

"I remember when DOGAMI put up the first tsunami evacuation route signs and they were quickly pulled down by locals because it was "bad for business" to admit that there was even a possibility of a tsunami."

[mlulu23]

Originally Posted by leastprime

So who is coming to aid the injured when the big one happens and the expected tsunami hits in 20 minutes, max time? And after big one + tsunami, how many first responders are going to be around? in the 8 months when the coastal towns are virtual ghost towns? Theoretically, escape route brochures are posted in commercial buildings and maps available for taking.
Maps are here: https://www.oregon.gov/DOGAMI/pages/...brochures.aspx

All good questions to ask. This will be a life, or death situation. Those first responders will no doubt be saving their own lives, and that of their families. It would be great if the hospital wasn't in the tsunami zone, and destroyed so they could help people as they wandered in. But it is possible. Here is a video on how this one Japanese hospital handled things during the Great Japanese quake, and tsunami. They should be our example.

https://youtu.be/6ZJ3-tbkhA4

It would be good for the towns to have drills so knowing what to do, and where to go would be second nature. Brochures are good, but not enough. When people live in earthquake, and tsunami country they need to take it seriously. This would be devastating, and it would take months, or years for the area to recover.

[leastprime]

Originally Posted by mlulu23

That is, if that single bridge wasn't destroyed in the quake. If the bridge is intact, escaping may have to be done on foot, as the roads may be buckled, and torn apart as is common in big quakes. Plus landslides blocking roadways.

If it happens at night like the one in 1700 is estimated to have happened, the power will most likely be out, and it will be difficult to see. The tsunami escape route signs could be solar so at least they would be lit up in the dark. That would be a low tech, lower cost, but effective thing to do. People from out of town won't be familiar with where to go, especially if it's dark, and they are in a panic, or injured.

So if the bridge is down, and the signs say the evacuation is over that bridge, which no longer exists,... Visitors had better know their plan B.

There are three bridges in Pacific City. ... : Woods, Canal, and Airport. Chose your bridge and take a chance. Signs existing and future solar powered signs won't help you.

[mlulu23]

Originally Posted by leastprime

So if the bridge is down, and the signs say the evacuation is over that bridge, which no longer exists,... Visitors had better know their plan B.

There are three bridges in Pacific City. ... : woods, canal, and airport. Chose your bridge and take a chance.

Yes, a plan B is good. If one bridge is down then the next, and so on. But there won't be much time. If all are damaged, then I wouldn't know what to do. If the roads are buckled like the photo in the following link then nobody will be driving anywhere.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2018...ore-big-jolts/

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[pnwguy2]

You all can argue about this until you are blue in the face. The "Jaws" reference is kinda spot on. We want to protect the citizens, but not at the expense of losing dollars. It really comes down to this, sadly.

I have made my position public before. I would not live on the Oregon or Washington coast today. We are in a 500 year window for this great subduction quake to occur. (1700-2200). Unfortunately, we are almost 320 years into that window. Again, doesn't mean it will happen tomorrow, and may not in our lifetimes, but why take the risk?

[mlulu23]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

You all can argue about this until you are blue in the face. The "Jaws" reference is kinda spot on. We want to protect the citizens, but not at the expense of losing dollars. It really comes down to this, sadly.

I have made my position public before. I would not live on the Oregon or Washington coast today. We are in a 500 year window for this great subduction quake to occur. (1700-2200). Unfortunately, we are almost 320 years into that window. Again, doesn't mean it will happen tomorrow, and may not in our lifetimes, but why take the risk?

Virtual rep! I'm with you on this. Thank you.

[leastprime]

Originally Posted by mlulu23

All good questions to ask. This will be a life, or death situation. Those first responders will no doubt be saving their own lives, and that of their families. It would be great if the hospital wasn't in the tsunami zone, and destroyed so they could help people as they wandered in. But it is possible. Here is a video on how this one Japanese hospital handled things during the Great Japanese quake, and tsunami. They should be our example.

https://youtu.be/6ZJ3-tbkhA4

It would be good for the towns to have drills so knowing what to do, and where to go would be second nature. Brochures are good, but not enough. When people live in earthquake, and tsunami country they need to take it seriously. This would be devastating, and it would take months, or years for the area to recover.

Theoretically, every 6 months, it happens. I was there in PC on the first drill. I stayed in place (a theoretical safe zone). I wasn't moving to higher ground without knowing the severity of the Big One.

[leastprime]

Viewed the Japanese Hospital video. Practically no injured at hospital. Possibly very few survivors after the Tsunami and those who did survive in the debris, are not rescued in time or unable to make their way to the hospital perhaps because of remaining surge water, debris, lack of transportation or passible roads.

The only real remedy is to not build in the TZ. Ancient Japan put up warning elevation markers to that effect, All ignored.

[leastprime]

And no joined me during that drill other than the DOG engineer featured on OPB. She said the geology strata indicates the maximum tsunami reach is to Cloverdale on the Nestucca and to to where the little Nestcucca exits the Coast range. Both about 6 miles from the ocean, direct.