Crossing from W. PA into NE. OH = whole other world? (Cleveland: housing, suburbs)

[CortlandGirl79]

I can assure you that people from Warren did flock to Howland over the last forty years and continue to do so if they have the means. You're right, almost all of the housing stock is suburban in nature, but you are wrong that it's 1950s suburbia. 1950s suburbia is much of the southeast (between Trumbull Ave and North Rd, northwest (off of N. Tod) and northeast (pretty much everything bordered by Elm Rd, Genessee, Atlantic and North Rd) sides of Warren.

Howland's housing boom started in the 60s and continued through the 2000s. There are very few new home starts in Trumbull County anymore, but Howland probably has the most. There are a few new home builds going in now off of Mines Rd. right now.

People with young children, or those wanting to start a family typically leave Warren and flock to areas like Howland, Bazetta, Champion and Cortland. One of my best friends grew up in Cortland and her husband grew up on Warren. They've lived on Oak Knoll SE for probably 15 years. Their daughter is at Harding and their son at Lincoln. They are looking to leave their neighborhood and either move to the northeast side or Cortland. Regardless of where they move they will continue to send their daughter to Harding, but their son will go to where ever their home district is. I have several friends that grew up on Cortland, moved to Warren because it was more affordable 10 or 15 years ago and now have moved back to Cortland. Another friend of mine lived on the northwest side in a 1950s ranch with four kids. It got too small. They moved back to Cortland and they're so much happier here.

Thinkalot is right, The Trumbull Country Club used to cost like $10k per year and was frequented by mostly affluent business owners, lawyers, etc. I know people that belong there now and they are lucky to make $50k/year combined. They must have really dropped their fees.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by sheena12

We tried to purchase a house in W.Pittston - that was when we were denied the right to purchase because "you aren't from PA" and you "don't have local connections to a school or church".

Meanwhile, somebody I know from small-town south Georgia just bought himself a big house near Hershey.

Originally Posted by sheena12

The closest I can get to a "PA feel" is Niles. It has a very working class vibe, connected, no doubt, to the steel industry.

While driving through Niles, (on 169) I noticed some shabby houses reminiscent of Wilkes-Barre. Rebel flags, and signs, too many old cars etc. The side streets were spotty.

Confederate Flag Love Still Super Strong In Ohio

Looks like Niles ain't the only place in Ohio like Wilkes-Barre, no?

Originally Posted by sheena12

New Castle residents seem to speak with a strange dialect. They say something like "Your'inz" for all of you. What is that all about?

Was that part of PA settled by Hillbillies? There are also a huge number of fundamentalist churches, suggesting an influx of southern Holy Roller types.

Ohio has a higher percentage of white Evangelical Protestants than Pennsylvania does:



Ohio also has a higher percentage of Southern Baptists than Pennsylvania does:



Most Evangelicals in Pennsylvania are Lutherans, similar to what you'll find in states like Minnesota and Iowa. As for hillbillies, people called Akron "the capital of West Virginia" because of all the Appalachian people migrating there for work in the middle of the 20th Century.

Originally Posted by sheena12

I know that Pittsburgh has really come up in recent years. I'd like to visit sometime. I have friends from college who live in the Philly suburbs and the mainline. I like that area, as well.

As far as the rest of the state? There is some beautiful scenery. I like the Poconos. But I'll sum it up as "a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there".

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Ohio outside of Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus is just as redneck as Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

[216facts]

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi

Ohio outside of Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus is just as redneck as Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

True for Southeast Ohio, not true for the Northwest farmland. Two totally different regions, it shows how remarkably different two areas of Ohio can be, and we're comparing farmland regions.

[schmave]

Bingo to the above poster. There are country folks in northern and western Ohio, but it's a totally different world than most anywhere below about Lancaster where you might as well be in West Virginia or Tennessee.
Rural does not equal redneck by any stretch.

[Bobilee]

Originally Posted by schmave

Bingo to the above poster. There are country folks in northern and western Ohio, but it's a totally different world than most anywhere below about Lancaster where you might as well be in West Virginia or Tennessee.
Rural does not equal redneck by any stretch.

I came across a newspaper article from an Ohio paper circa 1870 a few years ago, which I tried and failed to find again, but it stated about 15,000 ex-Confederate soldiers from Kentucky, West Virginia and other states had settled in southern Ohio.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by schmave

Bingo to the above poster. There are country folks in northern and western Ohio, but it's a totally different world than most anywhere below about Lancaster where you might as well be in West Virginia or Tennessee.
Rural does not equal redneck by any stretch.

One of the jokes in the eastern suburbs of Cincinnati, at least back in the 1980s and 90s, concerned the "Adams county crowd" that would frequent Eastgate Mall on the weekends.

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by Jay_F

Also love buying gas for about .50/gal less, milk about half as much, booze at ALDI, Walmart, etc. Really considering a move to the area; just need to find a modest little home in the sticks, and it's a done deal.

It's tempting. I went to the Covelli Center and had a great time. I wish Youngstown would get it's act together with downtown development...but then maybe traffic wouldn't be nonexistent! It's nice to get through a downtown in 5 min.

[randomparent]

Originally Posted by sheena12

Yes. I feel the same way. There is a "Mid Western Nice" on our side.

Pennsylvania is very wary of outsiders. That general xenophobic vibe is easily felt. We lived in PA for almost three years. We were denied the purchase of a house because we were not "originally from PA".

Thank God... I LOVE OHIO!

Wow! I guess that part of PA isn't familiar with the history of the colony's founding. Kinda disgraceful if you ask me.

[Kerby W-R]

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[badguykc]

Traveling into Conneaut on Route 20 from West Springfield, PA is really no major difference. They just kind of blend together.