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Yes, the union represents skilled, educated workers that use their skill, education, experience, creativity and talents EVERYDAY. They are rewarded based on those factors. They let the union collectively bargain for them.
Their above average benefits are a holdover form prior contracts, you know, back when EVERYONE, public and private, was getting better pay and benefits. Private employers started dumping benefits and cutting pay sooner, the public sector is just lagging behind. "The race to the bottom"
So, in your race to equilibrium, when are those top 1%, top 5%, top 10% going to begin their journey toward this equilibrium? Union workers are not exempt and must sacrifice for your race but the wealthy are exempt to any sacrifice????
The examples are everywhere, when has any business owner not looked for ways to cut wages and benefits, laying off older, higher paid, workers, outsourcing work, cutting benefits, cutting staff but not work load, and on and on. The bottom line is the only thing, if it hurt America, so what, if it hurt the economy, who care, greed rules. Middle class compensation has fallen for a while now as the wealthy's compensation has grown. And because much of their "income" comes in the form of capital gains their share of the income tax pie has shrunk and ours has grown.
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Because their above average benefits are almost entirely due to their ability to collectively negotiate wages and benefits with public employers, regardless of any external market labor factors. What's there to defend? How creatively a labor contract is negotiated?
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More of a race to equilibrium.
When has this ever happened? Have any relevant examples?
What does your perception of others' income have anything to do with SB5?
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Of course, once the GOP breaks the unions and cuts their pay, they will be coming after the non-union workers again, because that is what they do. If they succeed here there will be no stopping them, private employees will see ever greater rounds of cuts, and everyone will suffer.
You claimed the GOP was after our wages & jobs, but then make generalizations about business owners. Can't find one GOP example to share?
Kasich's staff compensation higher than Strickland's
Remember when kasich touted lowering the compensation for his cabinet? Since that moment things have changed and wages of his office has grown, nearly 10%.
Apparently he only lowered compensation for the grunts. Shared sacrifice? Race to equilibrium? Not if you a friend of kasich....
kasich cut his office expenses by 5.5% but none of that savings was thru wage cuts.
Compare that to the cuts he’s planning to make to these programs which directly impact Ohio’s children:
Program Total Cut Percent cut Bureau of Children with Medical Handicaps 1,250,000 14% Help Me Grow 2,826,000 8% Early Care and Education 10,673,000 8% Adoption of children with special needs 7,038,000 10% Childrens Hospitals 6,000,000 100% Budget cuts to Kasich’s office: 176K, handicapped children: 1.25 MILLION
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What does your perception of others' income have anything to do with SB5?
You claimed the GOP was after our wages & jobs, but then make generalizations about business owners. Can't find one GOP example to share?
Try the Koch Brothers...
tell you what, you do your own "homework" assignments. I don't need to prove or convince anything to you. Not understanding reality is your loss. My advice to you is to stop listening to faux spews and try getting your news from a wide variety of sources and verify everything.
Buzzard, do you know me? From what I can tell of you, you seem to think it's the purpose of PEU's to stand as some kind of bulwark against greedy rich people. Wrong mission, I think, but it's your free time.
Since you feel it's OK to link to those most impartial of websites - progressive blogs - to support your position, I'll respond in kind by linking to wingnut resources such as the . . . The 2011-2012 Ohio State budget and a smattering of other federal and quasi-governmental websites with full data sets.
Compare that to the cuts he’s planning to make to these programs which directly impact Ohio’s children:
Program Total Cut Percent cut Bureau of Children with Medical Handicaps 1,250,000 14% Help Me Grow 2,826,000 8% Early Care and Education 10,673,000 8% Adoption of children with special needs 7,038,000 10% Childrens Hospitals 6,000,000 100%
Budget cuts to Kasich’s office: 176K, handicapped children: 1.25 MILLION
It wasn't difficult to verify these statements with a 10 min glance at the budget PDF. Did you look at it? Let me know if the links don't work for you. I was able to read everything on my phone.
Page D-271. The Help Me Grow program grew from $9 million in 2006 to $36 million today. So we're arguing about cutting 8% from a program that had grown 400% over five years? That's rich.
Page D-271. Children with Medical Handicaps - Strickland cut almost $2 million between 2008 and 2010. But Kasich is the heartless bastard!
Page D-316. Children's hospitals. This $6m was a single year (2011) budget device. It didn't exist before 2011, and doesn't need to exist after because we have hiked Ohio Medicaid spending by 12.7 percent (that's $1.4 BILLION). Medicaid is the single largest budget item in the Children's Hospital system budget according to Ohio Children's Hospital Association
Cutting adoption funding?
Ohio Adoptions in yr 2006= 1803, yr 2005=2004, yr 2004=2201, yr 2003 = 2420 USA HHS - Statistics & Research. I can't find data for more recent years, but looking at the varying volumes it's POSSIBLE this cut is aligned with the current number of adoptions.
Centerville - 3 year contract
Trowtwood - 2 year contract
Northmont - 3 year contract
As I said before, we are going to start seeing more multi-year contract in the next few weeks. This is a big change from the past couple of years, where there has been a lot of "rollover" contracts.
Because the SB5 is written so vague, administrators do not have a clue on how to implement it. Such as, how do you implement a merit pay system that has never existed? Do all teachers start from a $0 salary or do you freeze their existing salary? What does merit mean in education? Is it all about standardized testing? Your students score well on the test and you get a bonus? If so, where is this money coming from? Also, what if the area you teach has no standardized test, such as PE, music, special needs,etc? Are they not eligible for merit pay?
On a side note I did notice an article in the Columbus newspaper saying that included in the state budget is a provision to pay teachers $50 for every student that has progressed one year. So, maybe if there is extra money around for this the budget isn't really that bad. Also, how is this fair? Elementary teachers have around 25 students and HS teachers may have 120 students. Music and PE teachers may have several hundred students. How does this work? Just another idea from someone who has not really thought it through. Like SB 5.
Jobs Ohio? more like ROBS Ohio. Kasich is taking the $228 Million yearly tax revenue from the sale of booze for the next 30 years and "SELLING" it to a Wall Street investors for $1.5 Billion.
Two problems I see. We were told that Jobs Ohio was going to pay for itself. Apparently, kasich is going to take the $228 Million away from whatever it was funding to pay for his new completely unproven program.
And it doesn't take any more than 3rd grade math to figure that kasich is selling us all out to Wall Street AGAIN. $228,000,000 times 30 years is $6,840,000,000. Than is 6.84 BILLION in revenue that Kasich is going to "sell" to his Friends on Wall Street for $1.5 Billion.
The really interesting part is what he and this Jobs Ohio program need this money for. I sure hope it isn't to hand out to big business... I mean that would be real wealth REDISTRIBUTION. Take $6.84 billion from the sale of booze to the middle class and hand it to wall street, wall street gives Ohio less that 25% back and Ohio hand a good part of that off to try and attract new businesses to Ohio??? Big win for big business, again....
What does merit mean in education? Is it all about standardized testing? Your students score well on the test and you get a bonus?
I gotta agree, what a stupid idea.
Great plan, base teacher pay on how well the kids do on tests. So, when the whole class get 100% on a test is the teacher going to get a bigger bonus/raise or are they going to be investigated for "helping" the kids too much?
Yeah, I'd guess you wouldn't want to talk about them and their role in dismantling our governnent.
Yeah, the Koch Brothers, primarily Charles. They are the architects of this anti-union hate and the tea party. Do you have any idea what they stand for?
Try a few of these on, they support:
end to Social Security
end to minimum-wage laws
end to ALL gun control laws,
end to ALL personal and corporate income taxes
legalization of prostitution
legalization of recreational drugs
legalization suicide
to prevent the EPA from classifying formaldehyde as a “known carcinogen” in humans. (Koch Industries make 2.2 billion pounds of it every year)
limit or NO government oversight of businesses. "Government should have only one function: the protection of individual rights"
Charles' goal in life is to tear the government “out at the root.”To destroy the government. That in spite of the fact that Kochs have taken $100,000,000 in taxpayer dollars through government contracts in the last 10 years.
I guess when you are a major player in the oil industry and you are also a major polluter you want less government oversight. I guess when you are stealing oil from Native Americans and the American people and you get caught you'd have a strong dislike for the government.
In 2009, the US Justice Department and EPA announced that Koch Industries’ Invista subsidiary would pay a $1.7 million penalty and agreed to spend $500 million to fix environmental violations at facilities in seven states.
Leaks on Koch-operated oil pipelines have resulted in major spills in Minnesota in recent years. In December 2009, a Koch pipeline spilled 210,000 gallons of crude oil in Philbrook, MN and another in 2005 spilled over 100,000 gallons in
Little Falls, Minnesota.
In May 2001, Koch Industries paid $25 million to settle with the US Government over a long-standing suit brought by Bill Koch—one of the brothers bought out in 1983—for the company’s long-standing practice of illegally accounting for the amount of oil removed from federal and Native American lands. As much as 300 million gallons of oil taken from US and not paid for.
In late 2000, the company was charged with covering up the illegal releases of 91 tons of the known carcinogen benzene from its refinery in Corpus Christi. Initially facing a 97-count indictment and potential fines of $350 million, Koch cut a deal with then-Attorney General John Ascroft to drop all major charges in exchange for a guilty plea for falsifying documents, and a $20 million settlement.
In 2000, the EPA fined Koch Industries $30 million for its role in 300 oil spills that resulted in more than three million gallons of crude oil leaking into ponds, lakes, streams and coastal waters.
In 1999 a Koch subsidiary pleaded guilty to charges that it had negligently allowed aviation fuel to leak into waters near the Mississippi River from its refinery in Rosemount, Minnesota, and that it had illegally dumped a million gallons of high ammonia wastewater onto the ground and into the Mississippi.
In 1996, a rusty and corroded Koch pipeline leaked flammable butane near a Texas residential neighborhood. Warned by the smell of gas, two teenagers drove their truck toward the nearest payphone to call for help, but they never made it. Sparks from their truck ignited the gas cloud and the two burned alive. The National Transportation Safety Board determined that “the probable cause of this accident was the failure of Koch to adequately protect its pipeline from corrosion” and the ineffectiveness of Koch’s program to educate local residents about how to respond during a pipeline leak.
Cyber you are spending a lot of time trying to discount the posts that are anti-Kascich. What are your reasons for supporting his actions so far. Unless you are very wealthy I can't see what he could bring to the average Ohioan. I see a lot of support of the rich and the republican party but nothing that helps the people of Ohio. Bringing jobs is a positive but at what cost. If these jobs don't bring with them a living wage or benifits why would you support the moves made on the backs of those that work for a living (public or private). Despite the propaganda that public workers are overpaid and are the cause of Ohio's shortfall these people pay a high proportion of their income in taxes (not just income) and certainly are important to the economic health of this great state. I believe that Ohio and America for that matter needs to focus on We the People and stop begging companies to come and hold us hostage. We are heading to a fascist state at a and I would much rather see a quasi-socialist state that takes care of its people rather than payoff the raich in hopes that they drop a few crumbs our way. Under Bush several companies showed the biggest single year profits ever yet most cases they also followed that with layoffs rather than reinvestment proving the falsehood of trickledown economics...perhaps you see something that I do not but blind ideological following is what has got us into this trouble to begin with.
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Kasich's staff compensation higher than Strickland's
