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Those last 4 zips are 2nd, 3rd, 10th and 11th in Black percentage. All are above 80% Black and have median household incomes above the national, state, county, city and metro area figures.
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While the the overall median HH income is about 9-10k under the criteria, the median HH income only a little over $6k less than the median HH income for Orange County, which is $70,712 according to the source used. However, the median HH income for Black households is $88,191 within this census tract. Census Tract 001600 in Orange County, New York
I'm kind of surprised that Middletown has such areas in/around the city, but Newburgh doesn't or at least to the same degree. All of the Orange County examples have been in the Middletown/Pine Bush area.
Most of the links that you posted cite areas with incomes between $70k-$80k.
That is barely middle class in the NYC area. I would say that it's even borderline working class. Yes it's higher than the NYC average but you must remember that NYC has a huge underclass that drags numbers down so comparing yourself to them will mislead yourself.
In the Tri-State, $90k+ is comfortably middle class. Upper middle class is like $140k+. This of course does somewhat vary by county, family size and distance from Manhattan..
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Most of the links that you posted cite areas with incomes between $70k-$80k.
That is barely middle class in the NYC area. I would say that it's even borderline working class.
In the Tri-State, $90k+ is comfortably middle class. Upper middle class is like $140k+. This of course does slightly vary by county and distance from Manhattan..
Yes, this is debatable and gives a rough idea of what is within the possible range of "middle class", lower on up. That is what I was trying to establish in terms of where the "middle class" starts on the lower end, which was about/at least in the mid $70's/at least $73,000 and up.
Just as a frame of reference, the median household income in the NYC metro is $65,791 according to the source used. So, even those census tracts in the $70-80,000 range are at least over the metro median household income.
There are plenty of other examples posted that are above $80,000, if not well above and census tracts can vary within as well. You can view census block groups within a census tract.
Also, keep in mind that Nassau County, the county with the highest median household income in the state and the 8th highest in the country, if I'm not mistaken, is a little bit over $97,000. So, $100,000 is still over the figure for the county with the highest median household income in the state and the vast majority of the country. It is almost double the national median household income.
Another thing to keep in mind with median household income is that it is the middle figure out of all household in a census division. So, half are below and half are above. This is regardless of household size, age of residents, retired, working, etc.
I would recommend Mount Vernon. The northern part of the city is very nice. The area around Esplanade, near Central Mount Vernon, is predominantly black and is full of large, well maintained homes.
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p.s. I believe the name of that neighborhood in Mount Vernon is Oakwood Heights.
It does include this census block group though: Census Block Group 004100-3 in Westchester County, New York So, looking at census block groups within these or even other census tracts may yield the desired criteria in regards to this topic. For an example of this, there is a series of 4 census block groups in New Rochelle next to Pelham that range from 23-60% Black and $73,500-105,172 in terms of median household income, but are in different census tracts and may have blocks that are predominately Black. Census Block Group 006600-4 in Westchester County, New York
I would definitely narrow your search down to SE Queens and Long Island. It's pretty obvious that these areas have a much higher concentration of middle-income black folks than other areas of the NY metro area.
The only truly rich/upper middle class black areas in the entire region that i'm aware of are Addisleigh Park (a section of St.Albans) and a section of Sag Harbor in the Hamptons. Most wealthy blacks move to white areas at this level.
The next tier down, you get the solidly middle class majority black areas which are Wheatley Heights, Belmont Estates (in Babylon), North Valley Stream-SE part of Elmont, North Baldwin - Stearns Park(in Freeport), northern part of Westbury. These areas remain solid since they have AT LEAST two of the following: Notably higher avg incomes by regional standards, zoned for good/decent schools and have an attractive housing stock.
And then the next tier down, you get areas that are a middle class/working class mix with a middle class edge. Example of this are Cambria Heights, Laurelton, Canarsie, Rosedale, Uniondale, Queens Village. These are still stable but you may not get the full middle class feel that you would get with the above areas since a decent amount of people are still not really middle class.
And then the next tier down which are areas that are a working class/middle class mix with a working class edge. Examples of this are Springfield Gardens, Roosevelt, East Flatbush, St.Albans, Hollis. Most of these areas have seen better days and were once comfortably middle class. They tend to have a very high percentage of homeowners but still have some crime issues. Definitely not rock bottom though.
And then of course, you have the not-so-great areas where most are working class or low-income:
Hoods: South Jamaica, Wyandanch, Queensbridge, Hempstead, Gordon Hts ungentrified Bed-Stuy&Crown Hts
Worst hoods: Far Rockaway, Brownsville, East New York, Coney Island
And if your looking at other parts of the NY region, you should look at parts of the following: South Orange, Teaneck and Plainfield in North Jersey; and Hillcrest in Rockland County.
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