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Old 04-20-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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It is a cop out to say that oh Iowa is the Upper Midwest, and that is why they don't have very much in the way of rural poverty. However, Missouri has a MUCH MUCH bigger problem with rural poverty and a lack of economic development in many rural counties that has been going on for decades. The big difference is most rural Midwesterners would have immediately or gradually flocked to the urban centers or towns with greater employment opportunities. MO is not like this for the most part. Many people choose to stay in rural areas with very few jobs, even in the northern part of the state. Now, this is slowly starting to change as the 2009 population estimates from the Census Bureau have indicated an increasing outflow of residents from some of these economically struggling rural counties.

 
Old 04-20-2010, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Covington County, Alabama
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I'm not from the south I've never been, I've lived in KC all of my life. I come to think of us Kansas Citians as Northern, not Southern. I personally am North of the River, which IMO is North of the Geographical center of the US. Nothing about this part of Missouri is souther other than Southerners who moved here, like my dad who is originally from Florida.
More info on the subject. Just wondering if you missed this thread that has been hashed and rehashed.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/misso...idwestern.html
 
Old 04-20-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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It is a cop out to say that oh Iowa is the Upper Midwest, and that is why they don't have very much in the way of rural poverty. However, Missouri has a MUCH MUCH bigger problem with rural poverty and a lack of economic development in many rural counties that has been going on for decades. The big difference is most rural Midwesterners would have immediately or gradually flocked to the urban centers or towns with greater employment opportunities. MO is not like this for the most part. Many people choose to stay in rural areas with very few jobs, even in the northern part of the state. Now, this is slowly starting to change as the 2009 population estimates from the Census Bureau have indicated an increasing outflow of residents from some of these economically struggling rural counties.
I would love to know how the data is playing out in the SE Missouri counties, as there us quite a bit of poverty there also.
 
Old 04-20-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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I would love to know how the data is playing out in the SE Missouri counties, as there us quite a bit of poverty there also.
Most rural counties in southeast MO (with the exception of the bootheel and very isolated Ozarks counties) have seen population growth since 2000. At the same time, job growth and income growth have not been improving. Many areas of rural northern Missouri are actually worse due to accelerated declines in non-farm employment. The loss of manufacturing and the offshoring of jobs continues to be a problem. Some jobs in rural counties are being replaced by green tech as Atchison County now has the majority of its electricity coming from wind energy with more wind farms coming on-line.
 
Old 04-20-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City
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More info on the subject. Just wondering if you missed this thread that has been hashed and rehashed.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/misso...idwestern.html
I know all about this thread, but I don't see Missouri get brought up in southern discussions, so it stays midwest to me. Except the bootheel maybe.
 
Old 04-20-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I know all about this thread, but I don't see Missouri get brought up in southern discussions, so it stays midwest to me. Except the bootheel maybe.
There ya go!
No maybes about the Bootheel, that part of the state is southern for sure!
 
Old 04-20-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas City
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There ya go!
No maybes about the Bootheel, that part of the state is southern for sure!
So we've come to an agreement. Swell.
 
Old 04-20-2010, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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So we've come to an agreement. Swell.
you say that like its a bad thing......
 
Old 04-20-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: South South Jersey
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I lived in Clinton (about an hour's drive SE of KC) for ten years (twenty if you count the ten additional years my parents lived there when I was in grad school, etc. - I visited them very regularly during this period). As someone who'd just spent the last five years of her life in dialectally neutral (or "General American") Omaha, Nebraska, I was shocked, shocked, shocked by the Upland/Mountain Southern accent that was the norm in Clinton - and still is, AFAIK. Upland/Mountain Southern cultural elements were everywhere, as well. This shouldn't be surprising, since the majority of the original settlers to the area were from Kentucky, Tennessee, western (now West) Virginia, and North Carolina (in that order, too, IIRC).

I've noticed a trend amongst those of you who deny Missouri's (yes, the whole state's - not just the Ozark Plateau's) Southern qualities - you all (I'm intentionally using the most prevalent second-person plural pronoun found in MO, here ) seem to see Southern-ness as a bad thing. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Add: KC and St. Louis are anomalies, but I'm not going to get into all of that in this post (I should've been sleeping hours ago).

In any case, I ♥ Missouri and soooo miss living there. To the poster who said she was transferring to MU - you'll love it! Columbia was a sort of Shangri-La of fun (innocent fun, that is - bike rides, hiking, shopping, dining out, chatting philosophically, etc.) during the seven-ish years I lived there. *sigh*

Oh, and to the poster who brought up Rush Limbaugh - I'm no Rush Limbaugh fan, but I am a linguist (of sorts), so his 'lack of accent' (if you will) always intrigued me. Then I saw a clip of his mother, who sounded essentially like someone from Clinton, MO. I can only assume that his present speaking style is *not* the way he talked as a kid (or possibly even teen) - he is a professional broadcaster, after all.

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Old 04-20-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Kansas City
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you say that like its a bad thing......
No I think it's a good thing....not a bad thing. Note I've never been to the bootheel I heard dey crazy n that thang.
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