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Old 05-24-2016, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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When a tree dies and rots, dioxins are released into the soil. It is nature's way. Then it mixes wit dihydrogen oxide which everybody knows kills many Mainers every year. That is also nature's way. Both of these hazards are easily avoided. Use the wood to build a home and wear your life vest. Problem solved.
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Old 08-30-2020, 01:44 AM
 
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Piscataquis County was the only red county in New Ngland the last presidential election.

It is also the county that went most for President Trump in 2016!

Lots of MAGA and Trump signs all over Piscataquis County
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Old 08-30-2020, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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When a tree dies and rots, dioxins are released into the soil. It is nature's way. Then it mixes wit dihydrogen oxide which everybody knows kills many Mainers every year. That is also nature's way. Both of these hazards are easily avoided. Use the wood to build a home and wear your life vest. Problem solved.
For what it's worth, natural decomposition of trees doesn't produce dioxins. They are polychlorinated, polycyclic ethers. These are not ordinary compounds naturally found in the body of any living thing because they play no useful biological role and are toxic. Their presence in the natural environment is very low - and then mostly from forest fires and volcanoes. They are however, produced in large quantities in the chemical pulping and bleaching of wood fibers in paper production, which uses reagents like chlorine, chlorine dioxide, hydrogen peroxide and ozone.
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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The federal government tested the Penobscot River above and below each paper mill above Old Town in behalf of the Penobscot Nation. Water below paper mills had less dioxin than water above the mills. How could this be? The mills use process water. Much of this water is evaporated to dry paper. Dioxins do not evaporate. They go with the paper. Paper mills remove dioxin from rivers. Unfortunately, all of the paper mills are gone from the Penobscot so Mother Nature's dioxin flows into the ocean.

Many Maine streams are tea colored. This is the result of normal decomposition of foliage and dead trees. The tan material is mostly tannic acid, a natural byproduct of decomposition of plants.
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Old 08-30-2020, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I read once that peat bogs produce a lot of tannins in the water.
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Old 08-30-2020, 05:19 PM
 
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The federal government tested the Penobscot River above and below each paper mill above Old Town in behalf of the Penobscot Nation. Water below paper mills had less dioxin than water above the mills. How could this be? The mills use process water. Much of this water is evaporated to dry paper. Dioxins do not evaporate. They go with the paper. Paper mills remove dioxin from rivers. Unfortunately, all of the paper mills are gone from the Penobscot so Mother Nature's dioxin flows into the ocean.

Many Maine streams are tea colored. This is the result of normal decomposition of foliage and dead trees. The tan material is mostly tannic acid, a natural byproduct of decomposition of plants.
Thanks NMLM. I've learned a lot from reading your posts over the years.
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Old 08-30-2020, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Cool damp and shaded forest floors produce sphagnum moss. As layers build up, lower layers compress and become peat.There are many different mosses in Maine,but the most common is sphagnum.
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Old 08-31-2020, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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The federal government tested the Penobscot River above and below each paper mill above Old Town in behalf of the Penobscot Nation. Water below paper mills had less dioxin than water above the mills. How could this be? The mills use process water. Much of this water is evaporated to dry paper. Dioxins do not evaporate. They go with the paper. Paper mills remove dioxin from rivers. Unfortunately, all of the paper mills are gone from the Penobscot so Mother Nature's dioxin flows into the ocean.

Many Maine streams are tea colored. This is the result of normal decomposition of foliage and dead trees. The tan material is mostly tannic acid, a natural byproduct of decomposition of plants.
If you can cite a reference to this theory that river water is cleaner after it's run through a paper mill, I'd like to see it. What about tanneries? Is the heavy metals concentration in the river lower after they've done their process too?
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Old 08-31-2020, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania/Maine
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Thanks NMLM. I've learned a lot from reading your posts over the years.
I'll second and third that.
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Old 08-31-2020, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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It is also the county that went most for President Trump in 2016!

Lots of MAGA and Trump signs all over Piscataquis County
So? What is your purpose of reviving a four year dead thread?
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