News: "Brownback signs Kansas budget and orders $97 million in allotment cuts, slashing KU funding" (Wichita: apartment complex, lofts)

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by phxone

The situation is likely to get much worse when the court rules on the K-12 funding issue. That will lead to even more cuts in higher education, Medicaid, highway maintenance, etc. As a fairly new resident, I am blown away at the lack of concern shown by most Kansans. They will still go out to the polls in November and vote en masse for the same far right ultraconservatives that are killing the state. For someone that didn't grow up in Kansas, the pervasive influence of religion and social issues like abortion and gays in Kansas politics is shocking. I always thought that Kansas was more of a moderate GOP state, ala Dole and Eisenhower. Boy was I wrong.

Depends what part of the state you are in but yes, we can agree on something....there are a lot of real far-right knobheads in the state.

However, it is the state that put Sebelius in office not that long ago so I'm hoping there will be a return to sanity and expulsion of all-things Brownback the next election.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Good. Maybe KU will not be able to afford to put their ugly advertising all over the Kansas City, MO sports stadiums anymore. I watch every Royals game and I'm getting tired to seeing Kansas University all over the stadium. I get it that KU Hospital is a good regional hospital, but would much rather see any other advertiser at the stadiums. Boulevard Beer would be a good replacement.

As far as brownback and the fiscal state of Kansas? lol.

Maybe write a letter to the Royals and ask them not to allow any Kansas people into the games either?

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by empires228

That's nearly every suburban and rural environment now days... Look around the other suburban forums before you comment on Kansas using TIF and StarBonds to prop up development in an area. It's not like the Missouri side has never subsidized anything and it's not like KCMO needs a special tax that people who don't even live in the city limits have to pay if they work there to even function as a municipality or anything. Oh wait, they do.



I wanted to give you rep., but apparently I already have for something in the very recent past. I tend to not pay attention to who posts what when giving rep. so it always surprises me when it tells me I can't.
That's why I want out. I have some friends who would love to see me come up to the Adrian, Michigan area, one who would like me in Houston, and another three in Johnson County, KS, but with how the Shawnee Mission and Blue Valley districts have been treating their arts programs lately (they've lost quite a few long standing and VERY qualified teachers), I won't even touch that area unless I was working in Missouri. One of my former teachers is teaching out at Sumner Academy in KCK so I have a firsthand view of how bad things are there too. I wouldn't mind Houstin except for the traffic and I get enough of Michigan on an every other year basis. I'm too conscious of the water issues to live in parts of the country after graduation so that rules out Colorado, New Mexico, etc.

I have heard that Adrian is a nice smaller city that has three colleges, but haven't been there myself. It is close to Ann Arbor and greater Detroit metro area so it definitely isn't isolated.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by empires228

That's nearly every suburban and rural environment now days... Look around the other suburban forums before you comment on Kansas using TIF and StarBonds.

Tifs? Sure. It's asked for almost everywhere now, although most cities don't allow them in faster growing suburb areas and when they do most cities require tifs to go towards road improvements and other public infrastructure, not the actual cost to build a strip mall or motel. That's generally how the MO side suburban tifs works. The Tiffany Spring tif funded the construction of all the new roads and interchanges in the area. The Summit Woods Tiff funded all the new interchanges and flyover ramps at 470/50. The Power and Light district tif paid for all the underground garages (which are used by Sprint Center etc), new rebuilt roads and rebuilt underground utilities. Things the city needed anyway but wouldn't have been able to fund it otherwise. Cordish paid for the actual entertainment district.

Kansas uses incentives to actually fund the building of retail malls etc. Prarie Fire, Village West etc, the developers got upfront cash to build and in some cases finish interiors of retail buildings. Kansas tifs generally go to the development and the state still funds most of the infrastructure improvements. And this is often in addition to PEAK incentives, property tax rebates and overlay sales taxes.

Also, there is almost nothing in any other state like STAR bonds. (let alone STAR bonds + PEAK). STAR bonds are a totally different ballgame than a tif. I have yet to see another state use incentives comparable to KS Star bonds and if they do have anything similar, I guarantee you that they wouldn't be available for developments in affluent greenfields in suburban areas. You will likely not even find incentives similar to STAR bonds being used in urban redevelopments.

The only development in Mo that comes close to what Kansas does is Cerner. And the state of MO and KCMO are getting ripped off by Cerner. However, at least that project is a redevelopment project and it will bring 16,000 high paying jobs to the city. I hate that project because the city should have gotten more out of the deal, but you can't compare that to STAR bonding a retail development on 135th or 167th in OP. The MO supertif that Cerner got does not give as much back as KS STAR bonds and they don't hand over the cash upfront like KS Star bonds do. And it's not out east of Lee's Summit or Liberty in a farm field. There is a reason why the new Metro North is now under construction and Bannister Mall is being replaced while Metcalf South, Mission Mall, Great Mall and Indian Springs all are still struggling to get anything off the ground other than maybe a walmart to replace them. There is no invective to go there when you can get a star bonded project in a greenfield somewhere.

People in Kansas should be a little bit more informed on Kansas corporate welfare. It really is no wonder the state is in the shape it's in when most Kansas residents don't have a clue about just how out of control the incentives are in the state. This new project in Overland Park, Bluehawk?? is absolutely nuts and NOBODY in kansas seems to care that it will be funded mostly by tax revenue. Another STAR bond project in Overland Park at 435 and Antioch is also trying to get approval. Plus they want to do yet another one by the speedway. In a state that is dead broke. In a state that has cities like KCK, Topeka and Wichita that are urban disasters.

It's crazy.

[Mattks]

Well, lucky for us, Kansas has term limits. Just 2 more years to go.

[Rivertowntalk]

Why Bill Self doesn't pay Kansas taxes on about 90 percent of his earnings / LJWorld.com

We all need to become LLC's.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Tifs? Sure. It's asked for almost everywhere now, although most cities don't allow them in faster growing suburb areas and when they do most cities require tifs to go towards road improvements and other public infrastructure, not the actual cost to build a strip mall or motel. That's generally how the MO side suburban tifs works. The Tiffany Spring tif funded the construction of all the new roads and interchanges in the area. The Summit Woods Tiff funded all the new interchanges and flyover ramps at 470/50. The Power and Light district tif paid for all the underground garages (which are used by Sprint Center etc), new rebuilt roads and rebuilt underground utilities. Things the city needed anyway but wouldn't have been able to fund it otherwise. Cordish paid for the actual entertainment district.

Kansas uses incentives to actually fund the building of retail malls etc. Prarie Fire, Village West etc, the developers got upfront cash to build and in some cases finish interiors of retail buildings. Kansas tifs generally go to the development and the state still funds most of the infrastructure improvements. And this is often in addition to PEAK incentives, property tax rebates and overlay sales taxes.

Also, there is almost nothing in any other state like STAR bonds. (let alone STAR bonds + PEAK). STAR bonds are a totally different ballgame than a tif. I have yet to see another state use incentives comparable to KS Star bonds and if they do have anything similar, I guarantee you that they wouldn't be available for developments in affluent greenfields in suburban areas. You will likely not even find incentives similar to STAR bonds being used in urban redevelopments.

The only development in Mo that comes close to what Kansas does is Cerner. And the state of MO and KCMO are getting ripped off by Cerner. However, at least that project is a redevelopment project and it will bring 16,000 high paying jobs to the city. I hate that project because the city should have gotten more out of the deal, but you can't compare that to STAR bonding a retail development on 135th or 167th in OP. The MO supertif that Cerner got does not give as much back as KS STAR bonds and they don't hand over the cash upfront like KS Star bonds do. And it's not out east of Lee's Summit or Liberty in a farm field. There is a reason why the new Metro North is now under construction and Bannister Mall is being replaced while Metcalf South, Mission Mall, Great Mall and Indian Springs all are still struggling to get anything off the ground other than maybe a walmart to replace them. There is no invective to go there when you can get a star bonded project in a greenfield somewhere.

People in Kansas should be a little bit more informed on Kansas corporate welfare. It really is no wonder the state is in the shape it's in when most Kansas residents don't have a clue about just how out of control the incentives are in the state. This new project in Overland Park, Bluehawk?? is absolutely nuts and NOBODY in kansas seems to care that it will be funded mostly by tax revenue. Another STAR bond project in Overland Park at 435 and Antioch is also trying to get approval. Plus they want to do yet another one by the speedway. In a state that is dead broke. In a state that has cities like KCK, Topeka and Wichita that are urban disasters.

It's crazy.

What's crazy is your complaining about KU advertising at Missouri locations. I mean seriously...that's some reallllllly nutty border-wars type talk as they pump $$$ across the "border".

What's next? Will you sulk around the Plaza with a sign exclaiming "Dirty Kansans Go Home! We Loves our Slavery!"? Feel free to join us in 2016.

[SPonteKC]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Good. Maybe KU will not be able to afford to put their ugly advertising all over the Kansas City, MO sports stadiums anymore. I watch every Royals game and I'm getting tired to seeing Kansas University all over the stadium. I get it that KU Hospital is a good regional hospital, but would much rather see any other advertiser at the stadiums.

Yeah, that's just juvenile and imbecilic. Name ANY mlb stadium and I'll find you an out-of-state advertiser with ads plastered all over. Jesus, Yankee stadium has Big 10 logos plastered all over the outfield walls and there's not a Big 10 school in the entire state of NY.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by s.davis

Yeah, that's just juvenile and imbecilic. Name ANY mlb stadium and I'll find you an out-of-state advertiser with ads plastered all over. Jesus, Yankee stadium has Big 10 logos plastered all over the outfield walls and there's not a Big 10 school in the entire state of NY.

Yes it was juvenile. It's not easy to never post crap about KU. Nobody's perfect .

But everything I said in this thread is dead on.

[Moboy32]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Good. Maybe KU will not be able to afford to put their ugly advertising all over the Kansas City, MO sports stadiums anymore. I watch every Royals game and I'm getting tired to seeing Kansas University all over the stadium. I get it that KU Hospital is a good regional hospital, but would much rather see any other advertiser at the stadiums. Boulevard Beer would be a good replacement.

As far as brownback and the fiscal state of Kansas? lol.

The poorer KU gets, the more they'll advertise. And the Royals will accept it.
I don't mind myself, I just don't like it when some assume the Royals play in Kansas. But those individuals probably don't know much about this metro anyway.