09-04-2012, 09:18 AM
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Thanks, everyone for your input. We're scheduling a visit soon for house hunting and will try to get a feel for Christ the King, but don't know yet which elementary zone we will be in if we go public so can't really visit the public school yet. I'm not really concerned about whether or not we get in to Christ the King because if we don't then HPISD seems like a great option to have. Also, I've spoken with the school and they have given me the strong impression that they can squeeze us in. But even if they can't with HPISD as an option we are ok.
My biggest concern about choosing the catholic school route is the one that TC mentioned about having a harder time connecting to neighbors/community because most people in the area go public and most activities are school based. That has sort of been my experience here too, but with all the extracurriculars - ballet, soccer, swimming, it does mitigate it a little bit.
Being in a neighborhood school is important to us to help connect with the community and TC80 mentioned that at private schools you end up with kids from all over the place. This is definitely true for the "elite" privates where we live, but in the catholic school in our parish that's not the case because in order to get into the school you have to be part of the parish and in order to join the parish you have to live in the boundaries of the parish. So, the kids at the school are pretty much all from the neighborhood. Based on TC80's comments, it sounds like this may not be the case at Christ the King and kids come from other areas of the city as well? Also does anyone have information regarding academics at Christ the King? I've heard that it is a good school and would love to have something objective to base that on. I'm sure I can get some of these questions anwswered when we visit but I do also appreciate everyone's personal perspective as well.
Thanks!
09-04-2012, 09:32 AM
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I am not sure if some of the Plano schools have large amounts of 5th graders in one school, but the number seems shocking and I would fear that my kid would get lost in the crowd.
The largest elementary school in the Plano ISD, Boggess Elementary, has fewer than 150 5th graders.
09-04-2012, 10:26 AM
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Based on TC80's comments, it sounds like this may not be the case at Christ the King and kids come from other areas of the city as well? Also does anyone have information regarding academics at Christ the King? I've heard that it is a good school and would love to have something objective to base that on. I'm sure I can get some of these questions anwswered when we visit but I do also appreciate everyone's personal perspective as well.
From the church's website, the parish boundaries are roughly US 75/ Central Expressway to the east, Royal Lane to the north, Midway to the west (it's west of the Tollroad), and Mockingbird to the south. This area is pretty broad and includes many neighborhoods including all of University Park, a tiny bit of Highland Park, and all of Preston Hollow / Bluffview/ Devonshire/ HP West / Greenway Parks (various affluent neighborhoods north & west of the Park Cities, most kids go to a wide variety of private schools in North Dallas). So while the kids probably aren't coming from all over Dallas, they are coming from many different neighborhoods in North Dallas, not just the Park Cities.
Academically, it's well regarded and kids tend to get high school acceptances to the better North Dallas private schools (Ursuline/ Cistercian/ Jesuit for those continuing with Catholic education and some getting into the most elite schools Hockaday and St Mark's as well). Unlike some other local private schools ending in 8th grade (Providence on Lovers Lane comes to mind), I think the great majority of CKS kids go onto to private high schools vs coming into HPISD or another public for high school. So you also may want to weigh your long-term plans and how important a Catholic K-12 education is in your family. We do have some very good Catholic schools in Dallas, academically.
09-04-2012, 10:28 AM
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The largest elementary school in the Plano ISD, Boggess Elementary, has fewer than 150 5th graders.
That's not an "apples to apples" comparisson --> 5th grade is MIDDLE SCHOOL in HPISD so it's all 5th graders from the four elementary schools combining into 1 school a year earlier than most districts do. I'm sure if you looked at the 6th-8th grade class sizes at the PISD middle schools, you'd see similar or bigger grades.
09-04-2012, 11:02 AM
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That's not an "apples to apples" comparisson --> 5th grade is MIDDLE SCHOOL in HPISD so it's all 5th graders from the four elementary schools combining into 1 school a year earlier than most districts do. I'm sure if you looked at the 6th-8th grade class sizes at the PISD middle schools, you'd see similar or bigger grades.
Totally agree that it is not apples to apples- but the point was the age of the kids. From my own experience, middle school (or junior high) is where the kids are "welcomed into the jungle." They have left their comfort zone of friends. They start taking honors classes and sports kick into high gear.
How does the team sports work at MIS? Do the kids play as a school? For example, are there 10 5th grade basketball teams playing in the YMCA league? Or, is there one "A" team and a bunch of other teams?
09-04-2012, 11:15 AM
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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the students at Christ the King came from all over the area.
A few years ago, I knew a couple that lived in Pleasant Grove, but were registered members at CtK and enrolled their daughter in the school.
I've known of families that lived in Wylie and Murphy and they were registered members at St. Patrick in Lake Highlands and their children attended the school there.
Education is more important than where one lives to some families.
09-04-2012, 11:48 AM
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Totally agree that it is not apples to apples- but the point was the age of the kids. From my own experience, middle school (or junior high) is where the kids are "welcomed into the jungle." They have left their comfort zone of friends. They start taking honors classes and sports kick into high gear.
How does the team sports work at MIS? Do the kids play as a school? For example, are there 10 5th grade basketball teams playing in the YMCA league? Or, is there one "A" team and a bunch of other teams?
5th and 6th grade (MIS side of the building) are kind of an "easing into middle school" - they do rotate classrooms by subject but the extracurriculars more resemble elementary school than the 7-8th grade middle school. Students are grouped in "teams" so that the big grade of 500 is cut down into 5 smaller ones of 100; they rotate through the exact same classes/teachers with their "team" vs having a different random group of 25 kids in each of their 7 or 8 daily classes. There are no honors/advanced classes (other than a TAG period for those who test in) and sports teams still run through the YMCA by elementary school zone. Of course, by 5th grade all the good athletes are playing club and select teams but for those who are still playing Y teams, they're available through age 12.
The 7th & 8th grade side (HPMS) is where the true middle school experience starts -> advanced math starts in 7th grade, sports teams & cheerleading are by audition (although there are so many kids on the "B" team that most kids make it).
I went thorugh when the old middle school was still around (6-8), but from what I hear from friends who have kids at the middle school complex is that the 5-6th graders really never see the 7-8th graders at all. Even those with siblings at the school say they don't even have the chance to run into each other during the day. I really don't like having 5th grade not on the elementary school campuses (they're so young!!) but I'm glad the schools are really run separately so you don't have 5th graders and 8th graders walking the same halls.
09-04-2012, 12:18 PM
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I felt the same way TC80 feels about not having the 5th graders on the elementary campus. However, our experience has been that they do a very good job of easing the transition from elementary to middle school. In 5th grade, they still have all their classes with the same group of 25 or so kids. The class moves around to three different teachers, but they move together. In 6th grade, there starts to be a little more mixing up of the classes, although they are still on the larger "team". One unexpected result of the 5th graders moving up to the middle school is they don't get that "big man on campus, I'm so cool" attitude. They are the little guys again! So that kind of keeps them young.
I think I tend to agree with HockDad; star athletes and big personalities will do well in HPISD. Your quiet types might be overwhelmed.
09-04-2012, 01:18 PM
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Interesting comments from multiple posters about "star athletes" and "big personalities" being best-suited to HPISD. Our children are young so their true athletic ability may not have fully materialized but based on their mom's poor showing in all manner of sports growing up
they are not likely to be star athletes, at least not the girls. Maybe some hope for our son but too early to tell for sure. As for big personalities - not sure exactly what that means at their tender young ages. I can imagine what that would mean in middle school or later but at, say, age 5...what does that mean in this context of trying to evaluate whether they will fit in to the HPISD schools.
It seems like lots of families move to exemplary-rated HPISD specifically for the schools but surely not every child can be a star athlete or have a big personality. My children are bright and friendly, we are engaged parents who want to be part of a school community of bright, friendly children with engaged parents, but now I'm wondering if the kids will have "big enough" personalities to fit in...or not.
Sorry if that sounds snarky...I don't mean to at all. Just interesting/concerning that several folks have made this comment and, well, it's got me thinking....
09-04-2012, 01:41 PM
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I was neither a star athlete nor a "big personality" and did just fine throughout my K-12 "career" in HPISD. I was in mostly Honors/ TAG/ AP classes, had two extracurriculars I was involved in & was passionate about, was really involved in my church youth group, and managed to find a group of about 15 guys and girls in my grade with whom I am still close some nearly 15 years later. And only 4 of us still live in Dallas!
Many types of kids do well in HPISD- and I don't just mean athletically or academically, but also the ones who are middle of the road but have a tight group of friends. Yes, I can imagine if is QUITE difficult to come into the district in middle or high school and in those cases, yes the ones who are super outgoing or athletically gifted have an easier time making friends, but it is certainly done by many! One of my group of 15 is a guy who was painfully shy in high school (moved in to the district in 9th grade after his parents went through a really nasty divorce). Some of my guy friends befriended in through a few classes together and he is still in our group - and the absolute life of the party- today.
All this to say there are many paths through the HP schools- athletics and student council are only 2 of them!
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)