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Old 05-23-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: New Mexico via Ohio via Indiana
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Again, I can't imagine leaving an entire state just because of its politics.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Yup, lawmakers do create laws that happen to affect it's citizens. So many bogus laws and regulations here in California. Also, because defying Trump is mandatory here in California, it's not helpful when the state refuses to work with the federal government. We have some of the highest homelessness in the country. I can't even go down Orange County (wealthy neighborhood) without seeing hundreds (I'm not exaggerating) of tents pitched up along the freeway and against pretty expensive looking apartment buildings. There was a huge complaint about this recently... poor guys are paying $2500 a month for rent to walk outside and be greeted by dozens of homeless people socializing around there tents. Hmm... guess social welfare has become more of a burden than is helping at this point. California is going bankrupt, we can't even afford to pay back bonds from 30 years ago! So now Jerry Brown is trying to start a new project and get more people to buy bonds so they can start paying back guys that bought it 30 years ago. It's not even adjusted well enough for inflation. If you bought a bond 30 years ago, you lost money....

So yes, it's important
Weird, I live in Orange County, but don't see these tents along the freeway, or against expensive apartment buildings. The problem seems to be mostly confined to areas within the city of Santa Ana. That doesn't make it acceptable, but facts are facts.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Yup, lawmakers do create laws that happen to affect it's citizens. So many bogus laws and regulations here in California. Also, because defying Trump is mandatory here in California, it's not helpful when the state refuses to work with the federal government. We have some of the highest homelessness in the country. I can't even go down Orange County (wealthy neighborhood) without seeing hundreds (I'm not exaggerating) of tents pitched up along the freeway and against pretty expensive looking apartment buildings. There was a huge complaint about this recently... poor guys are paying $2500 a month for rent to walk outside and be greeted by dozens of homeless people socializing around there tents. Hmm... guess social welfare has become more of a burden than is helping at this point. California is going bankrupt, we can't even afford to pay back bonds from 30 years ago! So now Jerry Brown is trying to start a new project and get more people to buy bonds so they can start paying back guys that bought it 30 years ago. It's not even adjusted well enough for inflation. If you bought a bond 30 years ago, you lost money....

So yes, it's important


"O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice..."

California Today
California Today: Fiscal Restraint Is Jerry Brown’s Thing. Will It Follow Him Into Retirement?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/u...t-surplus.html
"It’s a problem most governments can only dream of: too much money. But California — riding the wave of a booming economy — is swimming in a surplus: $8.98 billion as of last week."

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Old 05-23-2018, 12:29 PM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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So, Boise would probably be on my short list, but it is small right? Does it have everything you would need I.e shopping and specialized medical care?
How specialized are we talking? It’s not a tiny city. It’s a state capital. SLC is about 300 miles away as well.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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Might want to look at the western slope.

^^^

This, or maybe somewhere in Wyoming.

Most places on the Front Range are going to be too "progressive", or will be in a fairly short time IMO.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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The OP would probably be alright in Douglas county if he/she wants to stay near large cities.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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Is that a serious question?

As it has been pointed out, politicians, not the people, make the laws, and then you have to live under those laws.

California has a 13% state income tax, a 7-8% sales tax and what, about a dollar a gallon gas tax. Not to mention the sanctuary state, the required solar on all houses, universal free health care, illegal alien voting etc.
Do you even live in California? Perhaps you should get your facts straight....

*The gas tax was increased by 12 cents per gallon to pay for road repair. The state taxes us a total of 41 cents, not a dollar. There is a fed tax added and the total comes to somewhere around 73 cents.

*You would need to earn 1 million dollars to pay 13% income tax.

* California's average tax rate is 7.5 to 8 percent. There are some areas where it's higher. Denver's tax rate is 7.5 percent.

*There is no universal healthcare in California though the idea is gaining steam.

* Illegals are not permitted to vote.

No, California didn

California's gas tax goes up today. Here's what you need to know

https://www.tax-brackets.org/californiataxtable

https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/...cities/denver/

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Old 05-23-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
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The OP would probably be alright in Douglas county if he/she wants to stay near large cities.

The county, yes. But still in a "blue" metro area, and in a state that's trending more and more that way every election cycle.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Do you even live in California? Perhaps you should get your facts straight....

*The gas tax was increased by 12 cents per gallon to pay for road repair. The state taxes us a total of 41 cents, not a dollar. There is a fed tax added and the total comes to somewhere around 73 cents.

*You would need to earn 1 million dollars to pay 13% income tax.

* California's average tax rate is 7.5 to 8 percent. There are some areas where it's higher. Denver's tax rate is 7.5 percent.

*There is no universal healthcare in California though the idea is gaining steam.

* Illegals are not permitted to vote.

No, California didn

California's gas tax goes up today. Here's what you need to know

https://www.tax-brackets.org/californiataxtable

https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/...cities/denver/
Sorry, I didn’t realize California Residence was a requirement to post in a Colorado forum. I have spent over 40 years there.

For anyone that can afford a house in California, their state income tax would be in the 10% range which is comparatively high.
Gas tax is one of the highest in the country again comparatively high.
Illegals can already vote in San Francisco and surely the rest of the state will follow.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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Sorry, I didn’t realize California Residence was a requirement to post in a Colorado forum. I have spent over 40 years there.

For anyone that can afford a house in California, their state income tax would be in the 10% range which is comparatively high.
Gas tax is one of the highest in the country again comparatively high.
Illegals can already vote in San Francisco and surely the rest of the state will follow.
Again, you need to state the facts - google is your friend. Illegal residents are permitted to vote in school board elections that affect their children. Nothing more.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...eep-them-away/

I own a home in California (which was recently purchased) and do NOT pay income tax in the 10 percent range. Income can be derived from taxable and non-taxable sources. And BTW, since this is a CO thread it may be of interest that the state taxes both income and social security. Every state gets their money one way or another.

Lastly, if you can't afford the $438 dollars per year in gas tax and prefer to drive through potholes, crumbling roads and worn out bridges then it's probably time to move.

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