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Absolutely great event. There are also other events like this. In your defense KodeBlue alot of the black Charlotte culture that was so blatantly prevalent even up to a decade ago is not seen as much do to gentrification and Charlotte's recent stand on not preserving it's "history" with the removal of old structures, events, and business in favor of new and modern. The original black Charlotte culture is still here but nowhere near as "loud" as it use to be. There is a "new" black culture that is more prevalent now.
Now we both know that's anything but recent lol. To be fair, that's a criticism of many Southern/Sunbelt cities overall.
Nashville is not Tier 4- it should be a tier or two higher. It has a rich Black history (finally getting around to highlighting it). The city has long educated many of the country's preeminent Black scholars and doctors. For example, the Met in NYC has a couple of pieces from Fisk's art gallery on prominent display right now. It's also had Black folks in positions of leadership for decades.
Nashville is not Tier 4- it should be a tier or two higher.
Tier 2?
OR HIGHER- as in Tier 1?
Thats absolutely absurd.
Tier 3 at best. But Tier 4. There are very few if any prominet African Americans form Nashville in the public eye. I personally can only name Young Buck...
Clothing Speech Dress any black TV shows or Movies?
Like lets be real every city with an HBCU or elite university has produced black professional/leaders.
Marthas Vineyard has a whole exhibit in the Smithsonian Museum of African American history in DC. It's very arguably more unique identifiable than Nashville but not nearly as robust. I wouldn't list it because its tiny though.
Tier 1:
New Orleans
Detroit
DC
Atlanta (mostly here on raw size for me)
Tier 1a:
New York
Philly
Houston
Baltimore
Chicago
Los Angeles
Off rip- Nashivlle is out of these Tiers. Full stop.
Tier 2:
St. Louis
Memphis
Miami
Oakland/SF
Baton Rouge
Richmond/ Hampton Roads, VA cities
How can Nasvhile compare to Oakland Miami or Memphis.? Idk why Baton Rouge is here so that may be a means for an argument in favor of Nasvhille but thats it
Tier 3:
Dallas
Boston
Louisville
Charlotte
Orlando
Charleston
Blacks from Appalachia (WV, Western PA, Kentucky, Western VA)
Birmingham
New Jersey
Now its getting more feasbile. But it certainly is not ahead of Charleston, Dallas Birmingham, Boston or New Jersey at least 2 of which should be Tier 2. But it pairs comfortably with Lousiville, Charlotte, and blacks from Appalachia
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Nashville is not Tier 4- it should be a tier or two higher. It has a rich Black history (finally getting around to highlighting it). The city has long educated many of the country's preeminent Black scholars and doctors. For example, the Met in NYC has a couple of pieces from Fisk's art gallery on prominent display right now. It's also had Black folks in positions of leadership for decades.
Exactly. Folks really don’t know how rich Black history in Nashville is from the Fisk Jubilee singers, the Nashville sit ins, Jefferson St, HBCU’s, educators etc. The white washing of country music has really done a number on the city’s image and perception lol.
Tier 3 at best. But Tier 4. There are very few if any prominet African Americans form Nashville in the public eye. I personally can only name Young Buck...
Clothing Speech Dress any black TV shows or Movies?
Like lets be real every city with an HBCU or elite university has produced black professional/leaders.
Marthas Vineyard has a whole exhibit in the Smithsonian Museum of African American history in DC. It's very arguably more unique identifiable than Nashville but not nearly as robust. I wouldn't list it because its tiny though.
Tier 1:
New Orleans
Detroit
DC
Atlanta (mostly here on raw size for me)
Tier 1a:
New York
Philly
Houston
Baltimore
Chicago
Los Angeles
Off rip- Nashivlle is out of these Tiers. Full stop.
Tier 2:
St. Louis
Memphis
Miami
Oakland/SF
Baton Rouge
Richmond/ Hampton Roads, VA cities
How can Nasvhile compare to Oakland Miami or Memphis.? Idk why Baton Rouge is here so that may be a means for an argument in favor of Nasvhille but thats it
Tier 3:
Dallas
Boston
Louisville
Charlotte
Orlando
Charleston
Blacks from Appalachia (WV, Western PA, Kentucky, Western VA)
Birmingham
New Jersey
Now its getting more feasbile. But it certainly is not ahead of Charleston, Dallas Birmingham, Boston or New Jersey at least 2 of which should be Tier 2. But it pairs comfortably with Lousiville, Charlotte, and blacks from Appalachia
I’d put Nashville in tier 2 for the number of HBCU’s alone. Meharrry in particular graduating more Black doctors than any other medical school in the country. Not saying Nashville is tier 1 necessarily but it’s definitely being sold short here.
Actually mentioned this on a previous thread but there’s an author Lawrence Otis Graham (who grew up in Manhattan, NY btw) wrote the book “Our kind of people” which speaks of the Black bourgeois class in different cities, Nashville happened to be one mentioned along with New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis etc. Most of the cities on the poll didn’t get mentioned.
“Now a TV series on FOX starring Morris Chestnut, Yaya DaCosta, Nadine Ellis, and Joe Morton.
"Fascinating. . . . [Graham] has made a major contribution both to African-American studies and the larger American picture." —New York Times
Debutante cotillions. Million-dollar homes. Summers in Martha's Vineyard. Membership in the Links, Jack & Jill, Deltas, Boule, and AKAs. An obsession with the right schools, families, social clubs, and skin complexion. This is the world of the black upper class and the focus of the first book written about the black elite by a member of this hard-to-penetrate group.
Author and TV commentator Lawrence Otis Graham, one of the nation's most prominent spokesmen on race and class, spent six years interviewing the wealthiest black families in America. He includes historical photos of a people that made their first millions in the 1870s. Graham tells who's in and who's not in the group today with separate chapters on the elite in New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Nashville, and New Orleans. A new Introduction explains the controversy that the book elicited from both the black and white communities.”
I don't understand why these kids are rapping about violence when there's comparatively so little of it today. The New York City these kids are getting today is like an amusement park compared to the 90s.
This is probably the safest it's ever been to be a kid in NYC.
I think for a gang culture to truly die out, crime would need to be much lower. Gangs could still be super-active just less outwardly violent. They may not shoot random people anymore but still steal things and still fight folk, with the occasional shooting. For example if your gang was killing 20 people in the 1990s in one year, or something crazy like that. It’s not like 3 people dying in a year isn’t a ton of death around you.
London’s homicide rate is around 0.9-1.2 per 100,000. There’s still tons of gang violence. I think for a city like New York too feel safe from gang violence it would probably need something like 50 homicides a year.
Even in Katy, Texas where there are probably 10 people who die a year for an area around 350,000 people and maybe 2-3 of those deaths are gang related. I still know a friend of a friend that knows someone that passed or got hurt doing criminal activity. Now a lot of this is because we are near Houston and so it’s not necessarily Katy people committing crime in Katy.
Another thing is back in the 1990s a lot of seemingly safe areas were more dangerous. As well as dangerous areas themselves being more dangerous. So it’s not like it’s just an intense drop in homicides in one spot in the city, but a gradual drop for some neighborhoods compared to others.
My rough tiering, Tier 1-2a are pretty set in stone for me. As is Tier 6.
I think its really Tier 3-4 that are the most haughtly contested and dependent on age regionality and what criteria you emphasize....Once you get down to tiers 5 and 6 it becomes more about population size.
I try to balance Unique(slang, accents, customs, dress, ethnicity,hobbies) Robust (size of community, length and depth of Black history, all contributions to black mainstream history even if not idenitifable or well known) and identifiability (landmark movies, well-known celebrities, associated musical style nationwide slang, landmark TV shows)
Tier 1:
1. New York
2. Los Angeles
3. New Orleans
4. Atlanta
Tier 2:
5. Baltimore
6. Philly
7. Houston
8. Chicago
9. DC
Tier 2a:
10. Miami
11. Oakland/SF
12. Detroit
Tier 3:
13. New Jersey
14. Memphis
15. St. Louis
16. Charleston
17. Bay Area
18. Dallas
19. Boston/Providence
20. Richmond/ Hampton Roads, VA cities
Tier 5:
27. Blacks from Appalachia (WV, Western PA, Kentucky, Western VA)**
28. Southern GA
29. Jackson
30. Milwaukee
31. Jacksonville
32. Upstate NY (Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse)
33. Cincinnati
34. Kansas City
35. Charlotte
36. Raleigh-Durham
37. Little Rock
38. Hartford/New Haven
39. Seattle
Tier 6:
40. Indianapolis
41. Orlando
42. Tulsa
43. Las Vegas
44. Tampa
45. Huntsville
46. Columbus
47. Denver
48. San Antonio
49. Sacramento
50. Portland
I’d put Nashville in tier 2 for the number of HBCU’s alone. Meharrry in particular graduating more Black doctors than any other medical school in the country. Not saying Nashville is tier 1 necessarily but it’s definitely being sold short here.
Actually mentioned this on a previous thread but there’s an author Lawrence Otis Graham (who grew up in Manhattan, NY btw) wrote the book “Our kind of people” which speaks of the Black bourgeois class in different cities, Nashville happened to be one mentioned along with New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis etc. Most of the cities on the poll didn’t get mentioned.
I've never heard of Meharry until just now. It has under 1000 students...
If you read the book The Talented Tenth by WEB DuBois he mentions how "Most of them rose up through the colored schools of New York and Philadelphia and Boston"
Nashville having HBCUs is nice and significant--but i don't think that carries it past its lack of indentifiability or, uniqueness. I dont associate Nasvhille with a historical or present black bourgeiose and Im not sure if others do
I know there's Fisk and TSU, but I just returned from visiting Nashville for the first time and I could count on my hand how many Black folks I saw. I went all around too.
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