Calumet City (Chicago, Harvey, Dolton: transplants, violent crime, to live in)

[urza216]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Cal City lose some street credibility by having a Starbucks alone.

This is so true.. Yeah, Cal City is the hood alright. A caffeine addiction to 4 dollar frapachinos is so "hood".

[svillechris]

Originally Posted by allen2323

My standards are high. The suburb that I live in hasn't had a murder in atleast a decade, maybe alot longer or never as I am only looking at crime stats for this decade. My neighborhood is also alot more expensive than calumet city. Like I said before a persons attitude about a neighborhood and how they percieve it primarily comes down to what race they are. Calumet city had 5 murders in 2008. In 2008 there were 5 murders at the lane bryant store in tinley park in one day alone. Is tinley park now a scary place also. Chicago had 510 murders in 2008. Whites generally are fearful of all areas with alot of blacks no matter how safe they are in reality. I have even heard whites describe homewood as being dangerous.

This is one of the most absurd comparisons I've heard in a long time. As Chuckity explained, one is isolated and one is not. And murders isn't the only stat to look at when thinking about the safety of a town. The reasoning behind your argument just is not sound. That'd be like saying the campus of Virginia Tech is very dangerous because one idiot went off on everybody one day. Just not the case. If you want to live in Cal City, more power to you. But don't take your defense of the town so far as to misinform or deceive a reader of the posts who may not be familiar with the town. Cal City is not a safe area, the schools are rough, and is not a desirable place to live. Regardless of your race, that's just the truth about Cal City.

[allen2323]

Originally Posted by svillechris

This is one of the most absurd comparisons I've heard in a long time. As Chuckity explained, one is isolated and one is not. And murders isn't the only stat to look at when thinking about the safety of a town. The reasoning behind your argument just is not sound. That'd be like saying the campus of Virginia Tech is very dangerous because one idiot went off on everybody one day. Just not the case. If you want to live in Cal City, more power to you. But don't take your defense of the town so far as to misinform or deceive a reader of the posts who may not be familiar with the town. Cal City is not a safe area, the schools are rough, and is not a desirable place to live. Regardless of your race, that's just the truth about Cal City.

Let's not minimize murder here. Murder is murder. Unless you are talking about a serial killer it's always an isolated incident. Whether it is an altercation between two people over drugs, a girl, money, or a robbery gone bad like in tinley park. And 5 people were MURDERED in tinley park at the lane bryant store in 2008. RIP. The same number of people murdered in calumet city over the course of the entire year in 2008. Is oak park a bad place because murders have happened there? Tinley Park? Affluent naperville has had 6 murders since 2005. Elmhurst had 1 murder in 2008. Merrillville, indiana had 4 just one less than calumet city. So, is Merrillville a scary place now too. Murder is murder buddy. Like you said, it's important not to be misleading. There are places that are actually dangerous and have more than just a few murders a year like gary, indiana with 49 murders in 2008. Hammond, indiana with 13 murders in 2008. Or super dangerous neighborhoods in chicago like englewood, that have like over 40 murders a year regularly in that neighborhood alone. Or the city of chicago as a whole with 510 murders in 2008.

[urza216]

The bottom line is that you can do a lot worse than Cal City, a lot lot worse. It's not the hood but it's not a country club either - although it's admittedly closer to being the hood than a country club.

[Avengerfire]

^ Cal City is in the bottom 25% or worse of suburbs and city neighborhoods. There are many areas that are better than it. ^

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by allen2323

Let's not minimize murder here. Murder is murder. Unless you are talking about a serial killer it's always an isolated incident. Whether it is an altercation between two people over drugs, a girl, money, or a robbery gone bad like in tinley park. And 5 people were MURDERED in tinley park at the lane bryant store in 2008. RIP. The same number of people murdered in calumet city over the course of the entire year in 2008. Is oak park a bad place because murders have happened there? Tinley Park? Affluent naperville has had 6 murders since 2005. Elmhurst had 1 murder in 2008. Merrillville, indiana had 4 just one less than calumet city. So, is Merrillville a scary place now too. Murder is murder buddy. Like you said, it's important not to be misleading. There are places that are actually dangerous and have more than just a few murders a year like gary, indiana with 49 murders in 2008. Hammond, indiana with 13 murders in 2008. Or super dangerous neighborhoods in chicago like englewood, that have like over 40 murders a year regularly in that neighborhood alone. Or the city of chicago as a whole with 510 murders in 2008.

The big part you're missing is murder rate. Around here and to Statisticians, murder rate rules over murder count in general. For ex., Harvey had 7 homicides in 2008( 24.8 per 100,000) while Hammond had 13(17 per 100,000). Because Hammond has more than twice the population( 77,000 compare to 28,000), this made the city appear less dangerous than Harvey.

And about Tinley 5 homicides, odd that these homicides don't appear on C-D's stats(yet there on Tinley's police website) for 2008 , when the massacre happened that year. With the 5 homicides, Tinley Park murder rate in 2008 was 8.5 per 100,000.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by allen2323

Let's not minimize murder here. Murder is murder. Unless you are talking about a serial killer it's always an isolated incident. Whether it is an altercation between two people over drugs, a girl, money, or a robbery gone bad like in tinley park. And 5 people were MURDERED in tinley park at the lane bryant store in 2008. RIP. The same number of people murdered in calumet city over the course of the entire year in 2008. Is oak park a bad place because murders have happened there? Tinley Park? Affluent naperville has had 6 murders since 2005. Elmhurst had 1 murder in 2008. Merrillville, indiana had 4 just one less than calumet city. So, is Merrillville a scary place now too. Murder is murder buddy. Like you said, it's important not to be misleading. There are places that are actually dangerous and have more than just a few murders a year like gary, indiana with 49 murders in 2008. Hammond, indiana with 13 murders in 2008. Or super dangerous neighborhoods in chicago like englewood, that have like over 40 murders a year regularly in that neighborhood alone. Or the city of chicago as a whole with 510 murders in 2008.

I think you need to get off your statistical websites and take a walk through Cal City and then we can have a chat about how dangerous it is. Better yet, I'll meet you at the Starbucks at River Oaks and I'll have a Cal City cop share a cup of $4 joe with us and maybe he can knock some sense & truth into you about the Village of Calumet City.

And btw, there are some neighborhoods in Merrillville that are creeping pretty close to the crap hole that Cal City has become.

[rhawkins74]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

I think you need to get off your statistical websites and take a walk through Cal City and then we can have a chat about how dangerous it is. Better yet, I'll meet you at the Starbucks at River Oaks and I'll have a Cal City cop share a cup of $4 joe with us and maybe he can knock some sense & truth into you about the Village of Calumet City.

And btw, there are some neighborhoods in Merrillville that are creeping pretty close to the crap hole that Cal City has become.

What I find funny about this, is the Cal City cop I was talking with yesterday made the comment about how they liked working in Cal City, because they didnt have to worry about a lot of violent offenses. The cop was saying that majority of calls they go on deal with alcohol and domestics.

People talk about how dangerous Cal City is, but, honestly I don't see it. The only thing I can think is that a lot of people see a large number of minorities, and because of that, they consider it dangerous.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by rhawkins74

What I find funny about this, is the Cal City cop I was talking with yesterday made the comment about how they liked working in Cal City, because they didnt have to worry about a lot of violent offenses. The cop was saying that majority of calls they go on deal with alcohol and domestics.

People talk about how dangerous Cal City is, but, honestly I don't see it. The only thing I can think is that a lot of people see a large number of minorities, and because of that, they consider it dangerous.

Funny stuff. And seriously, I call bull - or there's a large part of your converstion missing - because no cop is going to paint a rosy picture of Cal City less than a week after a car chase that started in Cal City left two dead.

Cal City isn't a bad area because its black. It's a bad area AND black.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by rhawkins74

People talk about how dangerous Cal City is, but, honestly I don't see it. The only thing I can think is that a lot of people see a large number of minorities, and because of that, they consider it dangerous.

I agree with you that the danger of Cal City is exaggerated out of fear of minorities. However, I also think it's more complicated than that. There are other communities where you see a large number of minorities like Park Forest and Matteson that don't get talked about in the same way Cal City does. Folks may talk down on Park Forest and Matteson but they don't usually talk about it like it's the seventh level of hell or something. I'm also skeptical that a Cal City cop would say this. I'd like to hear it with my own two ears.