What is Jihad
Posted 12-24-2016 at 10:21 PM by Continuum
[quote]Originally Posted by [B]Khalif [/B]
You had claimed "The quran says to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary". You hadn't claimed that it is claimed in articles on the internet.
When challenged, "in which verse of the Qur'aan", you give me articles from the internet instead of just quoting that verse from the Qur'aan.
The article gives verse 9:33 as proof of "jihad":
Sura 9:33, simply put, predicts the conquest of Islam over all religions. Islam must dominate the world through jihad.
The word "jihad" isn't even mentioned in this verse. A brainwashed reader will think that it is in this verse without reading the verse.
That just goes to proves that you are not sure about any verse of the Qur'aan that says, "commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary".
I will help you in this issue. There are 4 verses with the word "jihad" in the Qur'aan.
I quote them all here for your information:
(25:52) So do not obey the disbelievers, and strive against them with the Qur'an a great jihad.
(9:24) Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command.
(22:78:1)
And strive for Allah with the jihad due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you “Muslims” before [in former scriptures].
(60:1)
O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah , your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval.
Other verses do not say "jihad" but "jahad". You mentioned only "jihad" because that's what you have been hearing from the politicians and the media. You have been brainwashed to believe that it is "jihad" and not "jahad".
Not one of the above 4 verses with the word "jihad" in them is saying "to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary".
Your claim is false and is a result of you being brainwashed by the politicians and the media.
In order to understand "jihad" as well as "jahad", one must understand the circumstances when these verses were revealed and what is meant by both "jihad" and "jahad". Both are related, one is noun and the other verb. None of them are meant to be attacking infidels like driving trucks into peaceful infidels.[/quote]
Fortunately I have a database to note that actually your presentation is inaccurate.
The article above is about "jihad" in the context of warfare.
The 9:33 is merely a side point to support one of the fundamental basis of jihad, i.e. world domination as propounded in the Quran [there are verses to support this].
[QUOTE] There are 4 verses with the word "jihad" in the Qur'aan. [/QUOTE]
Taking into account of the whole Quran you are wrong on this and is misleading.
The root of 'jihad' is JHD with its various sets of words with different meanings.
Within JHD there is a set of words belong to struggle, strive, endeavor, and the likes within an aggressive warfare ethos.
This JHD words related to the warfare ethos are of the Verb Type III. There are many type of verbs.
These words are;
[INDENT]Jahada - verb type III -perfect
Yujahidu - verb type III - imperfect
Jahid - verb type III - imperative
[B]Jihad[/B] - verb type III - verbal noun
Mujahid -- verb type III -active participle
[/INDENT]
When the word "jihad" is used in relation to the evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims, it a general term that encompass the above set of Verb Type III. The general public would not engage in such detail linguistics matters.
You are wrong to state that 'jihad' is merely a noun. It is a verbal noun.[INDENT][B]Verbal noun[/B] = a noun formed by inflection of a verb and partly sharing its constructions, such as [I]smoking[/I] in "smoking is forbidden."
[/INDENT]
Of the four verses for 'jihad' (verb type III - verbal noun), the 'jihad' in 22:78 relate to general striving. The jihad in 9:24 refer to striving within an aggressive war ethos.
The 'jihad' in 25:52 and 60:1 has a greater degree of aggression against non-believers.
In addition your translation of 25:52 and 60:1 is inaccurate and insufficient, i.e.
[INDENT]25:52. So obey not the disbelievers [infidels], but strive [jihad] [B]against[/B] them [infidels] herewith with a great endeavour.[/INDENT]
Note the implication of 'striving against infidels' as a verbal noun has antagonistic element in that warfare on text.
60:1 is worst, i.e.
[INDENT]60:1. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Choose not My enemy [infidels] and your enemy [infidels] for friends*.
Do ye [Muslims] give them [infidels] friendship [] [tul'qūna ilayhim offering them] [love, bonding, bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د ] when they [infidels] disbelieve in that [revelation Quran] truth which hath come unto you [Muslims], driving out the messenger and you [Muslims] because ye [Muslims] believe in Allah, your Lord?
If ye [Muslims] have come forth to strive [jihad] in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them [infidels] not friendship).
Do ye [Muslims] show friendship unto them [infidels] in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye [Muslims] hide and what ye proclaim?
And whosoever [Muslim] doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way. [/INDENT]
In the above context, friends [awliyaa] is not related to allies, guardian, protector as Muslims try to deflect so often.
You have excluded the phrase "tul'qūna ilayhim bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د " as if to hide something for whatever the reason.
In the context of offering them love/bonding "tul'qūna ilayhim bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د " the more likely context is in term and context of general friendship and not re allies, protector, guardian, and the likes.
In 60:1 a Muslim cannot even express "friendship" in terms of "bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د" to non-Muslims because Allah is omniscience, i.e. all-knowing and know what is in the mind of all beings. According to 60:1 a Muslim would have strayed from the right way if he/she befriends non-Muslims, thus go to Hell.
Can you prove me wrong on my interpretation of 60:1?
Here are the rest of the verses [Pickthall] with 'jihad' in its various Verb Type III groups. I don't have time to explain but one will note these verses are all used within a warfare ethos to inspire SOME evil prone Muslims against infidels;
[b]Jahada - verb type III -perfect[/b][indent]2:218. Lo! Those [Muslims] who believe, and those [Muslims] who emigrate (to escape the persecution) and strive [Jahada*] in the way of Allah, these [Muslims] have hope of Allah's mercy. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
8:72. Lo! those [Muslims] who believed and left their homes [emigrated to Medina] and strove [jahada] with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah, and ….
9:88. But the messenger and those [Muslims] who believe with him strive [jahada] with their wealth and their lives [wa-anfusihim]. Such are they [Muslims] for whom are the good things. Such are they [Muslims] who are the successful. [in this world and on the day of judgment] [True Muslims]
16:110. Then lo! thy Lord for those [Muslims] who become fugitives [from Mecca] after they had been persecuted, and then fought [jāhadū; jihad] and were steadfast lo! thy Lord afterward is (for them) indeed Forgiving, Merciful[/indent]
[b]Verb Type III imperfect[/b][INDENT]5:54. ..., stern toward disbelievers [infidels], striving [yujahidu*] in the way of Allah and fearing not the blame of any blamer. [*verb III imperfect][/INDENT]
[b]Verb Type III imperative[/b][INDENT]6:9. O Prophet! Strive [jāhidi] against the disbelievers [infidels] and the hypocrites, and be stern with them [infidels] . Hell will be their [infidels] home, a hapless journey's end. [/INDENT]
[B]Jihad - verb type III - verbal noun[/b][INDENT]25:52. So obey not the disbelievers [infidels], but strive [jihad] against them [infidels] herewith with a great endeavour.
60:1. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Choose not My enemy [infidels] and your enemy [infidels] for friends*.
Do ye [Muslims] give them [infidels] friendship [] [tul'qūna ilayhim offering them] [love, bonding, bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د ] when they [infidels] disbelieve in that [revelation Quran] truth which hath come unto you [Muslims], driving out the messenger and you [Muslims] because ye [Muslims] believe in Allah, your Lord?
If ye [Muslims] have come forth to strive [jihad] in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them [infidels] not friendship).
Do ye [Muslims] show friendship unto them [infidels] in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye [Muslims] hide and what ye proclaim?
And whosoever [Muslim] doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way[/INDENT].
[b]Mujahid -- verb type III -active participle[/b][INDENT]4:95. Those [Muslims] of the believers who sit still, other than those [Muslims] who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims] in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives [wa-anfusihim].
Allah hath conferred on those [Muslims] who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims fighters] a great reward above the sedentary; [[I]inspire, trigger Jihadists to fight[/I]]
31. And verily We shall [B]try[/B] you [Muslims] till We know those [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims] of you who strive [jahada] hard (for the cause of Allah) and the steadfast, and till We test your [Muslim's] record.[/INDENT]
From the above verses one will note they do inspire the evil prone to take to the sword based on various justifications in the Quran.
The justifications for 'jihad' are very vague and the sensitivity in the vague interpretations compel the very zealous to please Allah [to avoid Hell,] by complying with the gist of the above and many other evil laden verses.
The most critical issue is NO ONE ON EARTH can judge whether their very marginal interpretations are right or wrong, thus no one has any authority to stop and prevent them from committing evils and violence on non-Muslims and even Muslims who are deemed astray by them.
[QUOTE=Continuum;46611238]Link[/QUOTE]
You had claimed "The quran says to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary". You hadn't claimed that it is claimed in articles on the internet.
When challenged, "in which verse of the Qur'aan", you give me articles from the internet instead of just quoting that verse from the Qur'aan.
The article gives verse 9:33 as proof of "jihad":
Sura 9:33, simply put, predicts the conquest of Islam over all religions. Islam must dominate the world through jihad.
The word "jihad" isn't even mentioned in this verse. A brainwashed reader will think that it is in this verse without reading the verse.
That just goes to proves that you are not sure about any verse of the Qur'aan that says, "commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary".
I will help you in this issue. There are 4 verses with the word "jihad" in the Qur'aan.
I quote them all here for your information:
(25:52) So do not obey the disbelievers, and strive against them with the Qur'an a great jihad.
(9:24) Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command.
(22:78:1)
And strive for Allah with the jihad due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you “Muslims” before [in former scriptures].
(60:1)
O you who have believed, do not take My enemies and your enemies as allies, extending to them affection while they have disbelieved in what came to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves [only] because you believe in Allah , your Lord. If you have come out for jihad in My cause and seeking means to My approval.
Other verses do not say "jihad" but "jahad". You mentioned only "jihad" because that's what you have been hearing from the politicians and the media. You have been brainwashed to believe that it is "jihad" and not "jahad".
Not one of the above 4 verses with the word "jihad" in them is saying "to commit jihad against the infidel by any means necessary".
Your claim is false and is a result of you being brainwashed by the politicians and the media.
In order to understand "jihad" as well as "jahad", one must understand the circumstances when these verses were revealed and what is meant by both "jihad" and "jahad". Both are related, one is noun and the other verb. None of them are meant to be attacking infidels like driving trucks into peaceful infidels.[/quote]
Fortunately I have a database to note that actually your presentation is inaccurate.
The article above is about "jihad" in the context of warfare.
The 9:33 is merely a side point to support one of the fundamental basis of jihad, i.e. world domination as propounded in the Quran [there are verses to support this].
[QUOTE] There are 4 verses with the word "jihad" in the Qur'aan. [/QUOTE]
Taking into account of the whole Quran you are wrong on this and is misleading.
The root of 'jihad' is JHD with its various sets of words with different meanings.
Within JHD there is a set of words belong to struggle, strive, endeavor, and the likes within an aggressive warfare ethos.
This JHD words related to the warfare ethos are of the Verb Type III. There are many type of verbs.
These words are;
[INDENT]Jahada - verb type III -perfect
Yujahidu - verb type III - imperfect
Jahid - verb type III - imperative
[B]Jihad[/B] - verb type III - verbal noun
Mujahid -- verb type III -active participle
[/INDENT]
When the word "jihad" is used in relation to the evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims, it a general term that encompass the above set of Verb Type III. The general public would not engage in such detail linguistics matters.
You are wrong to state that 'jihad' is merely a noun. It is a verbal noun.[INDENT][B]Verbal noun[/B] = a noun formed by inflection of a verb and partly sharing its constructions, such as [I]smoking[/I] in "smoking is forbidden."
[/INDENT]
Of the four verses for 'jihad' (verb type III - verbal noun), the 'jihad' in 22:78 relate to general striving. The jihad in 9:24 refer to striving within an aggressive war ethos.
The 'jihad' in 25:52 and 60:1 has a greater degree of aggression against non-believers.
In addition your translation of 25:52 and 60:1 is inaccurate and insufficient, i.e.
[INDENT]25:52. So obey not the disbelievers [infidels], but strive [jihad] [B]against[/B] them [infidels] herewith with a great endeavour.[/INDENT]
Note the implication of 'striving against infidels' as a verbal noun has antagonistic element in that warfare on text.
60:1 is worst, i.e.
[INDENT]60:1. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Choose not My enemy [infidels] and your enemy [infidels] for friends*.
Do ye [Muslims] give them [infidels] friendship [] [tul'qūna ilayhim offering them] [love, bonding, bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د ] when they [infidels] disbelieve in that [revelation Quran] truth which hath come unto you [Muslims], driving out the messenger and you [Muslims] because ye [Muslims] believe in Allah, your Lord?
If ye [Muslims] have come forth to strive [jihad] in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them [infidels] not friendship).
Do ye [Muslims] show friendship unto them [infidels] in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye [Muslims] hide and what ye proclaim?
And whosoever [Muslim] doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way. [/INDENT]
In the above context, friends [awliyaa] is not related to allies, guardian, protector as Muslims try to deflect so often.
You have excluded the phrase "tul'qūna ilayhim bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د " as if to hide something for whatever the reason.
In the context of offering them love/bonding "tul'qūna ilayhim bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د " the more likely context is in term and context of general friendship and not re allies, protector, guardian, and the likes.
In 60:1 a Muslim cannot even express "friendship" in terms of "bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د" to non-Muslims because Allah is omniscience, i.e. all-knowing and know what is in the mind of all beings. According to 60:1 a Muslim would have strayed from the right way if he/she befriends non-Muslims, thus go to Hell.
Can you prove me wrong on my interpretation of 60:1?
Here are the rest of the verses [Pickthall] with 'jihad' in its various Verb Type III groups. I don't have time to explain but one will note these verses are all used within a warfare ethos to inspire SOME evil prone Muslims against infidels;
[b]Jahada - verb type III -perfect[/b][indent]2:218. Lo! Those [Muslims] who believe, and those [Muslims] who emigrate (to escape the persecution) and strive [Jahada*] in the way of Allah, these [Muslims] have hope of Allah's mercy. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
8:72. Lo! those [Muslims] who believed and left their homes [emigrated to Medina] and strove [jahada] with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah, and ….
9:88. But the messenger and those [Muslims] who believe with him strive [jahada] with their wealth and their lives [wa-anfusihim]. Such are they [Muslims] for whom are the good things. Such are they [Muslims] who are the successful. [in this world and on the day of judgment] [True Muslims]
16:110. Then lo! thy Lord for those [Muslims] who become fugitives [from Mecca] after they had been persecuted, and then fought [jāhadū; jihad] and were steadfast lo! thy Lord afterward is (for them) indeed Forgiving, Merciful[/indent]
[b]Verb Type III imperfect[/b][INDENT]5:54. ..., stern toward disbelievers [infidels], striving [yujahidu*] in the way of Allah and fearing not the blame of any blamer. [*verb III imperfect][/INDENT]
[b]Verb Type III imperative[/b][INDENT]6:9. O Prophet! Strive [jāhidi] against the disbelievers [infidels] and the hypocrites, and be stern with them [infidels] . Hell will be their [infidels] home, a hapless journey's end. [/INDENT]
[B]Jihad - verb type III - verbal noun[/b][INDENT]25:52. So obey not the disbelievers [infidels], but strive [jihad] against them [infidels] herewith with a great endeavour.
60:1. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Choose not My enemy [infidels] and your enemy [infidels] for friends*.
Do ye [Muslims] give them [infidels] friendship [] [tul'qūna ilayhim offering them] [love, bonding, bil-mawadati بِالْمَوَدَّةِ و د د ] when they [infidels] disbelieve in that [revelation Quran] truth which hath come unto you [Muslims], driving out the messenger and you [Muslims] because ye [Muslims] believe in Allah, your Lord?
If ye [Muslims] have come forth to strive [jihad] in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them [infidels] not friendship).
Do ye [Muslims] show friendship unto them [infidels] in secret, when I am best Aware of what ye [Muslims] hide and what ye proclaim?
And whosoever [Muslim] doeth it among you, be verily hath strayed from the right way[/INDENT].
[b]Mujahid -- verb type III -active participle[/b][INDENT]4:95. Those [Muslims] of the believers who sit still, other than those [Muslims] who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims] in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives [wa-anfusihim].
Allah hath conferred on those [Muslims] who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims fighters] a great reward above the sedentary; [[I]inspire, trigger Jihadists to fight[/I]]
31. And verily We shall [B]try[/B] you [Muslims] till We know those [l-mujāhidīna: Muslims] of you who strive [jahada] hard (for the cause of Allah) and the steadfast, and till We test your [Muslim's] record.[/INDENT]
From the above verses one will note they do inspire the evil prone to take to the sword based on various justifications in the Quran.
The justifications for 'jihad' are very vague and the sensitivity in the vague interpretations compel the very zealous to please Allah [to avoid Hell,] by complying with the gist of the above and many other evil laden verses.
The most critical issue is NO ONE ON EARTH can judge whether their very marginal interpretations are right or wrong, thus no one has any authority to stop and prevent them from committing evils and violence on non-Muslims and even Muslims who are deemed astray by them.
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