Mass murders, gun control, and how do we fix it?
Posted 12-04-2015 at 04:47 PM by Basse Bud
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Originally Posted by Pennies4Penny
Well, the fact is gun control works. It is evidenced in countless countries where it has been enacted. Gun control does not violate Second Amendment rights. Our Founding Fathers made the Constitution a living document for a very good reason. We are ALLOWED to make changes to it and adjust it as society evolves. This includes the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment calls for "a well regulated militia" as is anyway, so putting requirements on training and ownership and the type of weapons available to civilians doesn't threaten any sane, non criminal individual anyway. We take away the right to vote to individuals who are serving time for crimes for Pete's sake, why should we allow them legal access to guns once they get out??!!!
How to fix it is easy (though lots of work and time; not an overnight cure) once it's allowed to happen. First thing we need to do is get money OUT of politics. As many as 90% of people want extended background checks, but some politicians vote against them and every other gun measure, because they are PAID to.
This Guy Just Destroyed Hypocritical Pro-NRA Lawmakers for 'Thoughts and Prayers' for San Bernardino
Secondly, we need extended wait periods WITH required training at the Federal level. Months, not days or weeks. Doing it state by state doesn't work, because I may not be able to get a gun right away in some states, but I can drive to another and they will practically hand it to me.
Storage requirements need to be enacted to prevent accidental shootings and suicides in home and theft. If your gun is locked in a safe and your ammo is locked in another safe, no one can steal it and your toddler won't accidentally shoot you or their siblings. This is how it is done in many other countries (Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland for example).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sis-this-year/
Licensed sellers only. No more gun show or Craigslist sales. Private sells can be done on consignment. This guarantees every buyer is properly vetted.
Ban open carry and assault type weapons. This does not violate your rights. You can still own a gun, but open carry has proven to cause a rise in gun violence and the only way to tell if someone is "good" or "bad" is to wait and see if they kill someone. No one should have to give their life because someone was legally carrying a weapon until they were murdered. Insane!
Open carry becomes focus after Colorado Springs shooting rampage - The Denver Post
And saying open carry saves people is false. No mass shooting has ever been stopped by an average civilian. States with open carry have mass shootings and typically more gun violence than those who don't. It is a false sense of security.
No one NEEDS a gun that can fire 30 rounds. 6 is more than sufficient especially if you have been trained how to properly use it. Even if crime stays the same, less lives will be lost, because less bullets are being fired. To those who say "they'll find a way..." So what?? Some will, but we need to stop making it so damn easy for them!
The "criminals don't follow laws" theory is a fallacy as well. If laws didn't deter crime, then we shouldn't have any at all. Many criminals obtain guns LEGALLY, so we need to make it illegal for anyone with a record to own one. This does not violate your rights! You broke the law, your rights are revoked, end of story. All these other countries have criminals, gangs, abusers, drugs and the mentally ill, yet they don't go on shooting rampages in those countries, because they aren't allowed to have guns and heavy restrictions that work prevent them from getting them.
Will doing these things stop every murder and mass shooting? No. Definitely not immediately, but it will reduce senseless death and make us safer out on the streets. With proper implementation, the occurrence of shootings will go down year by year. Another argument is that crime increases. I have not seen a correlation, but so what if it does? I would much rather someone steal my TV or car than murder me or my children just because they were having a bad day.
I should not fear my children going to school. I should not fear sitting in a crowded theater on opening night. I should not fear eating in the food court of a mall. I should not fear walking down my own city street. We should live in a more peaceful country.
How to fix it is easy (though lots of work and time; not an overnight cure) once it's allowed to happen. First thing we need to do is get money OUT of politics. As many as 90% of people want extended background checks, but some politicians vote against them and every other gun measure, because they are PAID to.
This Guy Just Destroyed Hypocritical Pro-NRA Lawmakers for 'Thoughts and Prayers' for San Bernardino
Secondly, we need extended wait periods WITH required training at the Federal level. Months, not days or weeks. Doing it state by state doesn't work, because I may not be able to get a gun right away in some states, but I can drive to another and they will practically hand it to me.
Storage requirements need to be enacted to prevent accidental shootings and suicides in home and theft. If your gun is locked in a safe and your ammo is locked in another safe, no one can steal it and your toddler won't accidentally shoot you or their siblings. This is how it is done in many other countries (Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland for example).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...sis-this-year/
Licensed sellers only. No more gun show or Craigslist sales. Private sells can be done on consignment. This guarantees every buyer is properly vetted.
Ban open carry and assault type weapons. This does not violate your rights. You can still own a gun, but open carry has proven to cause a rise in gun violence and the only way to tell if someone is "good" or "bad" is to wait and see if they kill someone. No one should have to give their life because someone was legally carrying a weapon until they were murdered. Insane!
Open carry becomes focus after Colorado Springs shooting rampage - The Denver Post
And saying open carry saves people is false. No mass shooting has ever been stopped by an average civilian. States with open carry have mass shootings and typically more gun violence than those who don't. It is a false sense of security.
No one NEEDS a gun that can fire 30 rounds. 6 is more than sufficient especially if you have been trained how to properly use it. Even if crime stays the same, less lives will be lost, because less bullets are being fired. To those who say "they'll find a way..." So what?? Some will, but we need to stop making it so damn easy for them!
The "criminals don't follow laws" theory is a fallacy as well. If laws didn't deter crime, then we shouldn't have any at all. Many criminals obtain guns LEGALLY, so we need to make it illegal for anyone with a record to own one. This does not violate your rights! You broke the law, your rights are revoked, end of story. All these other countries have criminals, gangs, abusers, drugs and the mentally ill, yet they don't go on shooting rampages in those countries, because they aren't allowed to have guns and heavy restrictions that work prevent them from getting them.
Will doing these things stop every murder and mass shooting? No. Definitely not immediately, but it will reduce senseless death and make us safer out on the streets. With proper implementation, the occurrence of shootings will go down year by year. Another argument is that crime increases. I have not seen a correlation, but so what if it does? I would much rather someone steal my TV or car than murder me or my children just because they were having a bad day.
I should not fear my children going to school. I should not fear sitting in a crowded theater on opening night. I should not fear eating in the food court of a mall. I should not fear walking down my own city street. We should live in a more peaceful country.
If the Left truly believes in the disarming of Americans, propose repeal of the Second Amendment ( which guarantees the means of defeating a tyrannical government. ) and attempt implementation of confiscating the 300 million plus guns in America.
This nation went to war once over such an idea, and there is every reason to believe it would do so again were confiscation to be attempted.
Yes, we would all like to live in a peaceful world, but that is not the way of the world.
" An armed society is a polite society" R. Heinlin
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If guns are "outlawed" then only the criminals have guns...Posted 12-05-2015 at 02:40 AM by KKinOregon
