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He considers Atlanta to be a threat to the Texas cities.
atlanta is modest threat to Houston, not really in competition with austin because its the already the Tech hub of the sunbelt and certainly not catching DFW in the next 20 years.
YOU're obsessed with your metro's ability to compete with the new boys like Charlotte nd Nashville
Curious why you would think this?
Atlanta is positioned as the regional hub for the Southeast region much like Dallas is for Texas and the South Central region. Thriving and growing cities like Charlotte, Nashville, Birmingham, Greenville, Chattanooga, Savannah etc.. only strengthens Atlanta as it’s a major commerce & distribution hub because its more centrally situated to serve the aforementioned cities via extensive highway and air connections. Just like a strong Austin, OKC, Houston, San Antonio benefits the DFW area for the same reasons.
The only one who seems “obsessed” is you regarding your belief there is some kind of competition between Atlanta and Dallas.
Kinda weird dude, considering YOU’RE the one consistently posting on the Atlanta forum.
Atlanta is positioned as the regional hub for the Southeast region much like Dallas is for Texas and the South Central region. Thriving and growing cities like Charlotte, Nashville, Birmingham, Greenville, Chattanooga, Savannah etc.. only strengthens Atlanta as it’s a major commerce & distribution hub because its more centrally situated to serve the aforementioned cities via extensive highway and air connections. Just like a strong Austin, OKC, Houston, San Antonio benefits the DFW area for the same reasons.
The only one who seems “obsessed” is you regarding your belief there is some kind of competition between Atlanta and Dallas.
Kinda weird dude, considering YOU’RE the one consistently posting on the Atlanta forum.
True it has been the regional hub but past performance is no guarantee of future results. There are examples throughout history not only in this country but globally. St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore come to mind as metros that once surpassed the Georgia capital city. If you sw photos of Los angeles from 1910 no one would believe you it has become. With t the Southeast, Atlanta hd vision others didn't based there requiring expansion of the airport and to lesser extent having native son Jimmy Carter win the Presidency elevated Atlanta beyond the other cities of note in the southeast. However, I disagree the other MAJOR cities of the SE strengthen Atlanta. Chicago doesn't strengthen Detroit or Indianapolis. Chattanooga would becuse its not major player. They're in other states with their own strategic missions. The merger of Suntrust and BBT didn't result in move to atlanta but rather the new bank made Charlotte the HQ which also is a hub for american airlines. Nashville didnt' work with Atlanta when Amazon was looking for its HQ2 they got 5000 person hub and also got an 8000 person hub for Oracle. Then you have apple announcing its putting in hub in Raleigh. So you have those events as further reasons to say things aren't as shiny as some my say. Last, I look at corporate relocations. I see Porsche and Mercedes Benz relocating their U.S HQs to Atlanta. nice gets but relatively small offices. The big get i think is what Microsoft will do with the land purchased. Will it be 10000 person hub or land used only for data centers? When Google announced it bought property in south DFW, I was excited for big hub but turns out it was only for data centers.
Atlanta is the big logistics hub of the southeast due the airport and train yards with Memphis second, home of FedEx. The big get for Atlanta to me the last 30 years is film production hub created due to Tyler Perry and Pinewood Studios. BTW, a Hollywood, Film production company just bought 524 acres southeast of austin for a new studio and Netflix and amazon just opened offices there.
There is competition throughout the country amongst cities. For you to think otherwise is not looking with both eyes WIDE open. Maybe its Georgia thing but for example here in Texas, Houston and DFW have always been big competitors. Now we've got Austin garnering global attention.
Example about competition, see the NC forum board "City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Carolina > Charlotte
Reload this Page I live in the Triangle and I'm jealous of Charlotte. Is this common?
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Reason: Charlotte vs. Raleigh reference
True it has been the regional hub but past performance is no guarantee of future results. There are examples throughout history not only in this country but globally. St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore come to mind as metros that once surpassed the Georgia capital city. If you sw photos of Los angeles from 1910 no one would believe you it has become. With t the Southeast, Atlanta hd vision others didn't based there requiring expansion of the airport and to lesser extent having native son Jimmy Carter win the Presidency elevated Atlanta beyond the other cities of note in the southeast. However, I disagree the other MAJOR cities of the SE strengthen Atlanta. Chicago doesn't strengthen Detroit or Indianapolis. Chattanooga would becuse its not major player. They're in other states with their own strategic missions. The merger of Suntrust and BBT didn't result in move to atlanta but rather the new bank made Charlotte the HQ which also is a hub for american airlines. Nashville didnt' work with Atlanta when Amazon was looking for its HQ2 they got 5000 person hub and also got an 8000 person hub for Oracle. Then you have apple announcing its putting in hub in Raleigh. So you have those events as further reasons to say things aren't as shiny as some my say. Last, I look at corporate relocations. I see Porsche and Mercedes Benz relocating their U.S HQs to Atlanta. nice gets but relatively small offices. The big get i think is what Microsoft will do with the land purchased. Will it be 10000 person hub or land used only for data centers? When Google announced it bought property in south DFW, I was excited for big hub but turns out it was only for data centers.
Atlanta is the big logistics hub of the southeast due the airport and train yards with Memphis second, home of FedEx. The big get for Atlanta to me the last 30 years is film production hub created due to Tyler Perry and Pinewood Studios. BTW, a Hollywood, Film production company just bought 524 acres southeast of austin for a new studio and Netflix and amazon just opened offices there.
There is competition throughout the country amongst cities. For you to think otherwise is not looking with both eyes WIDE open. Maybe its Georgia thing but for example here in Texas, Houston and DFW have always been big competitors. Now we've got Austin garnering global attention.
Example about competition, see the NC forum board "City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Carolina > Charlotte
Reload this Page I live in the Triangle and I'm jealous of Charlotte. Is this common?
Never stated Atlanta (or Chicago) strengthens it’s surrounding cities. I mentioned that Atlanta as the primary regional hub for the Southeast benefits from growth of it’s neighboring cities (states) in the region. Chicago acts in the same way in it’s region as Atlanta and Dallas because Chicago is the the Midwest’s dominant hub and notice how Chicago didn’t suffer near the economic downturn as it’s rust belt peers like Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee or St Louis.
Being a regional hub has huge benefits as Federal agencies tend to set up regional offices in the apex city. Creating thousands if not tens of thousands of jobs. Aiding that city in becoming a hub of commerce.
The FCC, FEMA, GSA, DEA, FDA, EPA, USFWS, FAA, SBA, US Army Corps of Engineers, ICE, Dept of Homeland Security, US Forest Service, Dept of HHS, Federal Reserve Bank, 11th District Federal Appeals Court and others all have Southeast Regional offices based in Atlanta. Also to note CDC’s national HQ is based here. Atlanta has 27 international diplomatic missions compared to only 2 in both Nashville and Charlotte. CLT airport has an impressive offering of direct flights but is dwarfed by ATL. BNA is not even in the same league as CLT much less ATL. Savannah has the 4th largest seaport in the nation and acts in unison with Atlanta creating a multifaceted major inland port in North Georgia. Which in turn makes the Atlanta area an ideal choice for distribution centers as there have been an onslaught of construction over just the past several years.
Atlanta has the film industry.
Atlanta has the music industry.
Atlanta is home to vastly more F1000 companies than Nashville and Charlotte.
Atlanta is a major hub of higher education.
Atlanta is a top 20 U.S. tourist destination.
Atlanta is a top 10 convention city.
Atlanta is the state government hub of the 8th most populous state in the nation.
Atlanta is an emerging tech hub with multiple tech companies announcing relocations & expansions to the area.
Atlanta has a national top 10 ranked tech program at Georgia Tech.
Atlanta has 2 tech incubators at Midtown’s Tech Square & Buckhead’s Tech Village.
Stating all of this not to brag or boast but to point out that while Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh are hot and on the rise inching closer to Atlanta, they have a heck of a long way to go before catching up and it’s not as if Atlanta is standing still.
The big get i think is what Microsoft will do with the land purchased. Will it be 10000 person hub or land used only for data centers? When Google announced it bought property in south DFW, I was excited for big hub but turns out it was only for data centers.
There's a lot to unpack in your post, but your question about Microsoft has already been answered by the company itself. The land they purchased is too close to Georgia Tech and downtown to be wasted on data centers, which is why they have also bought hundreds of acres south and west of the city for two data centers.
The land in Bankhead (not Buckhead) is going to be developed into a true East Coast HQ where they've already said every product division for Microsoft will have teams based in Atlanta and could account for 10K+ highly paid jobs. This will have a ripple effect throughout the city with thousands of additional tech jobs as vendors relocate to feed off the big whale and workers who leave Microsoft create their own startups.
Never stated Atlanta (or Chicago) strengthens it’s surrounding cities. I mentioned that Atlanta as the primary regional hub for the Southeast benefits from growth of it’s neighboring cities (states) in the region. Chicago acts in the same way in it’s region as Atlanta and Dallas because Chicago is the the Midwest’s dominant hub and notice how Chicago didn’t suffer near the economic downturn as it’s rust belt peers like Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee or St Louis.
Being a regional hub has huge benefits as Federal agencies tend to set up regional offices in the apex city. Creating thousands if not tens of thousands of jobs. Aiding that city in becoming a hub of commerce.
The FCC, FEMA, GSA, DEA, FDA, EPA, USFWS, FAA, SBA, US Army Corps of Engineers, ICE, Dept of Homeland Security, US Forest Service, Dept of HHS, Federal Reserve Bank, 11th District Federal Appeals Court and others all have Southeast Regional offices based in Atlanta. Also to note CDC’s national HQ is based here. Atlanta has 27 international diplomatic missions compared to only 2 in both Nashville and Charlotte. CLT airport has an impressive offering of direct flights but is dwarfed by ATL. BNA is not even in the same league as CLT much less ATL. Savannah has the 4th largest seaport in the nation and acts in unison with Atlanta creating a multifaceted major inland port in North Georgia. Which in turn makes the Atlanta area an ideal choice for distribution centers as there have been an onslaught of construction over just the past several years.
Atlanta has the film industry.
Atlanta has the music industry.
Atlanta is home to vastly more F1000 companies than Nashville and Charlotte.
Atlanta is a major hub of higher education.
Atlanta is a top 20 U.S. tourist destination.
Atlanta is a top 10 convention city.
Atlanta is the state government hub of the 8th most populous state in the nation.
Atlanta is an emerging tech hub with multiple tech companies announcing relocations & expansions to the area.
Atlanta has a national top 10 ranked tech program at Georgia Tech.
Atlanta has 2 tech incubators at Midtown’s Tech Square & Buckhead’s Tech Village.
Stating all of this not to brag or boast but to point out that while Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh are hot and on the rise inching closer to Atlanta, they have a heck of a long way to go before catching up and it’s not as if Atlanta is standing still.
FIRST, REAd YOUR post. "only strengthens Atlanta as it’s a major commerce & distribution hub because its more centrally situated to serve the aforementioned cities via extensive highway and air connections".
Second, I mentioned in my posts, that the city had a big get with its film industry but I see you don't read like you should.
Third, your rant doesn't reflect what I said. Past performance doesn't always reflect future results. I specifically gave examples of why your town is facing increased competition but you point to facts you and I already know. Detroit in 1950 had a population of 1.700,000 now its 700,000. Things can change. Because Atlanta has more Fortune 1000 companies doesn't mean you get to keep them. Look at California and the number of relocations this century, most to Texas.
Fourth, sorry you aren't an emerging tech hub no more than Nashville and definitely behind Raleigh's Research Triangle. Nashville's profile has been elevated beyond that of Atlanta when they got Oracle and amazon campuses with staffing over 5,000 each. What tech companies have moved their HQs to your town? HQs not expansions. As I've said before, Microsoft buying land there could be huge but surprisingly unlike with the other tech company expansions in the southeast, no actual plans have been formalized.
Fifth, regarding Atlanta's status the capital of the 8th most populous state. What does that say then about Tallahassee or Sacramento or Harrisburg? Two of those towns are capitals of larger states. It doesn't really say much. Same with Austin in Texas. Austin became what it is now due to business climate, IBM opening there and tech consortium with D.C. ties, led by admiral Bobby Inman, a UT grad, and NSA Director under Reagan.
Sixth, Music, not anymore...back in the 1990s for sure with Laface records OutKast and Travis Tritt.
Seventh - Tech schools. Georgia Tech is great but you know California is fr better. Chicago has the University of Chicago where the atomic bomb was invented nd Northwestern, another great engineering school. But People have still left. Your secondary schools are just as important Atlantas feeders for growth but there metro Atlanta is challenged. Did you mention that NC has several very good Tech programs? Its good to have but not necessarily a huge deal, otherwise, why did NC and TN get Oracle, apple and amazon campuses?
I didn't say anything directly about Atlanta. I spoke questioned DFW ws overreported and thought austin was under reported. If this was reported on another thread I would have posted the same. Looking at some of the other posters, they DIRECTLY commented they thought the development would not change the skyline much. YOU're obsessed with your metro's ability to compete with the new boys like Charlotte nd Nashville
You’re vastly mistaken to assume that metro Atlanta cannot compete with Charlotte and Nashville, or especially to assume that the metro Atlanta area isn’t already light years ahead of both of those cities combined.
FIRST, REAd YOUR post. "only strengthens Atlanta as it’s a major commerce & distribution hub because its more centrally situated to serve the aforementioned cities via extensive highway and air connections".
Second, I mentioned in my posts, that the city had a big get with its film industry but I see you don't read like you should.
Third, your rant doesn't reflect what I said. Past performance doesn't always reflect future results. I specifically gave examples of why your town is facing increased competition but you point to facts you and I already know. Detroit in 1950 had a population of 1.700,000 now its 700,000. Things can change. Because Atlanta has more Fortune 1000 companies doesn't mean you get to keep them. Look at California and the number of relocations this century, most to Texas.
Fourth, sorry you aren't an emerging tech hub no more than Nashville and definitely behind Raleigh's Research Triangle. Nashville's profile has been elevated beyond that of Atlanta when they got Oracle and amazon campuses with staffing over 5,000 each. What tech companies have moved their HQs to your town? HQs not expansions. As I've said before, Microsoft buying land there could be huge but surprisingly unlike with the other tech company expansions in the southeast, no actual plans have been formalized.
Fifth, regarding Atlanta's status the capital of the 8th most populous state. What does that say then about Tallahassee or Sacramento or Harrisburg? Two of those towns are capitals of larger states. It doesn't really say much. Same with Austin in Texas. Austin became what it is now due to business climate, IBM opening there and tech consortium with D.C. ties, led by admiral Bobby Inman, a UT grad, and NSA Director under Reagan.
Sixth, Music, not anymore...back in the 1990s for sure with Laface records OutKast and Travis Tritt.
Seventh - Tech schools. Georgia Tech is great but you know California is fr better. Chicago has the University of Chicago where the atomic bomb was invented nd Northwestern, another great engineering school. But People have still left. Your secondary schools are just as important Atlantas feeders for growth but there metro Atlanta is challenged. Did you mention that NC has several very good Tech programs? Its good to have but not necessarily a huge deal, otherwise, why did NC and TN get Oracle, apple and amazon campuses?
You just don't get it...
The fact you have to create seven bullet points tied to different regions of the country to try to refute Atlanta's strength shows how strong and diversified Atlanta's economy is and isn't tied to one particular industry like the Rust Belt cities you've mentioned. You obviously aren't paying attention to popular and hip-hop music if you don't know the influence Atlanta has on everything in music right now. Same goes for film. A couple of years ago, more feature film and tv productions were being filmed in Georgia than New York or California. Our voting rights brouhaha and calls for a boycott didn't slow it down much (Covid did that), and many more movie studios are being built along to compliment the old school media companies like Cox, Comcast, Gray TV, and WarnerMedia/CNN. Warner's pending merger with Discovery Networks could mean even more expansion.
As for education, Ga. Tech isn't the only school that matters. The largest concentration of HBCUs is in Atlanta, and companies who desperately need to diversify their workforce like Apple and Google are opening innovation centers on those campuses. Also, don't you know where Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, went to engineering school? He went to Auburn University an hour outside the city, which is just one of many SEC schools within a 350-mile radius that sends its most talented students into the Atlanta metro job market. Thanks to all the relos and Silicon Valley expansions with Facebook, Google, AirBnB, and others, there's less of a reason to go West.
I actually encourage the rise of other cities in the Southeast because people who live in cities are going to be the saving grace of this country so we don't end up with the political, environmental and social sh*t show that is Texas right now. It's cool that you want to boost Dallas, but the success of it and other cities doesn't have to come at Atlanta's expense. I have ties to AT&T, and strangely, there are more AT&T employees in Atlanta than the Dallas HQ. The vast majority of people I know who have to travel between both cities vastly prefer living in Atlanta over Dallas, so it is what it is.
FIRST, REAd YOUR post. "only strengthens Atlanta as it’s a major commerce & distribution hub because its more centrally situated to serve the aforementioned cities via extensive highway and air connections".
Second, I mentioned in my posts, that the city had a big get with its film industry but I see you don't read like you should.
Third, your rant doesn't reflect what I said. Past performance doesn't always reflect future results. I specifically gave examples of why your town is facing increased competition but you point to facts you and I already know. Detroit in 1950 had a population of 1.700,000 now its 700,000. Things can change. Because Atlanta has more Fortune 1000 companies doesn't mean you get to keep them. Look at California and the number of relocations this century, most to Texas.
Fourth, sorry you aren't an emerging tech hub no more than Nashville and definitely behind Raleigh's Research Triangle. Nashville's profile has been elevated beyond that of Atlanta when they got Oracle and amazon campuses with staffing over 5,000 each. What tech companies have moved their HQs to your town? HQs not expansions. As I've said before, Microsoft buying land there could be huge but surprisingly unlike with the other tech company expansions in the southeast, no actual plans have been formalized.
Fifth, regarding Atlanta's status the capital of the 8th most populous state. What does that say then about Tallahassee or Sacramento or Harrisburg? Two of those towns are capitals of larger states. It doesn't really say much. Same with Austin in Texas. Austin became what it is now due to business climate, IBM opening there and tech consortium with D.C. ties, led by admiral Bobby Inman, a UT grad, and NSA Director under Reagan.
Sixth, Music, not anymore...back in the 1990s for sure with Laface records OutKast and Travis Tritt.
Seventh - Tech schools. Georgia Tech is great but you know California is fr better. Chicago has the University of Chicago where the atomic bomb was invented nd Northwestern, another great engineering school. But People have still left. Your secondary schools are just as important Atlantas feeders for growth but there metro Atlanta is challenged. Did you mention that NC has several very good Tech programs? Its good to have but not necessarily a huge deal, otherwise, why did NC and TN get Oracle, apple and amazon campuses?
You just don't get it...
You're delusional, and it is beyond clear that you are incredibly threatened by Atlanta. It's also very clear that you wish Atlanta to fail.
Third, your rant doesn't reflect what I said. Past performance doesn't always reflect future results. I specifically gave examples of why your town is facing increased competition but you point to facts you and I already know. Detroit in 1950 had a population of 1.700,000 now its 700,000. Things can change. Because Atlanta has more Fortune 1000 companies doesn't mean you get to keep them. Look at California and the number of relocations this century, most to Texas.
Atlanta has an extremely diversified economic base. It doesn’t rely heavily on a single industry not even state government. If Hartsfield-Jackson closed, that would be devastating. Don’t ever envision that happening though. So, your Detroit analogy is baseless.
Again, a stronger more developed Georgia (outside of Atlanta), Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina and North Carolina will only benefit Atlanta. It is great news that Huntsville, AL was recently awarded a major FBI expansion and selected as Space Force HQs. It’s great news the automotive manufacturing bases in Alabama and South Carolina are ever growing. It’s fantastic Nashville and Raleigh are gaining major tech expansions. I love that Fort Gordon in Augusta was chosen for US Cyber Security Command. It’s fabulous Robins AFB recently gained another major command. Kia’s West Point factory is prospering and that’s awesome. Atlanta and the entire Southeast region benefits from all of these developments. There shouldn’t be an attitude of jealousy or that somehow your city is missing out.
Glad you brought up the point about keeping Fortune 1000 companies. Dallas HAS to lure business to its area because it has never been a breeding ground for developing homegrown companies aside from TI. There are no highly ranked research universities in the entire Metroplex. UTD is growing nicely but it is light years away from being remotely on the level of Georgia Tech. Academically Emory >>>>>>>>>> SMU. There is no answer for SCAD in Dallas. Definitely, nothing close to Morehouse, Spelman or Clark ATL.
I’ve noticed when major companies announce relocation to DFW its mainly a figurehead (tax & incentive based) relocation as many of the companies have existing large workforces in the area. Seems when companies locate to Atlanta they seek to develop innovation and technology centers to take advantage of the abundant pipeline of college talent from local universities. Which works out benefiting further Midtown development.
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