Changing the US educational system to be like Germany's - separating students into streams?
Posted 10-27-2017 at 10:24 PM by Blondebaerde
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Originally Posted by Vicman
In Germany students are separated into separate academic streams around age 10-12: students of lesser ability are put into vocational-level or lower level secondary schools while the best students go to university preparatory schools. Students are separated on the basis of their performance in elementary school, not on the basis of a single exit exam.
A benefit to this is that private schools are largely unnecessary in Germany: the problem students are taken out of the classrooms they would otherwise share with academically oriented students. At the same time, thee is a valid criticism: students are separated too early and an otherwise bright student would be condemned to a lower level stream. It may be a good idea to think about adopting Germany's system in urban school districts in the US, but changing the stream separation time to ages 14-15 (senior high school).
This chart shows the course of German education: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G...ool_system.svg
Also note that athletics are not a part of the schooling system at all in Germany. They are a part of it in the US because athletics developed within the schools, while this was not so in Germany.
A benefit to this is that private schools are largely unnecessary in Germany: the problem students are taken out of the classrooms they would otherwise share with academically oriented students. At the same time, thee is a valid criticism: students are separated too early and an otherwise bright student would be condemned to a lower level stream. It may be a good idea to think about adopting Germany's system in urban school districts in the US, but changing the stream separation time to ages 14-15 (senior high school).
This chart shows the course of German education: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:G...ool_system.svg
Also note that athletics are not a part of the schooling system at all in Germany. They are a part of it in the US because athletics developed within the schools, while this was not so in Germany.
Eight pages of replies, probably already been covered, but WTH:
Wouldn't work here. This is the land where thinly-veiled IQ tests...SAT, ACT, GRE, Pre-SAT, whatever they're calling them these days...are under the deepest of suspicious by various pressure groups. Y'know, that's despite the fact that results correlate well with academic performance. And, later, life-performance. That's because different groups of people score differently. Look it up in academic circles. The facts simply...are.
So...hypothetically, in your scenario:
- Lower-IQ minorities, specifically Black and Latinos, are shuttled into trade schools. Probably also American Indians.
- Some percentage of Whites as-well, of-course, but no where near same proporation (percentage).
- Fewer still "Asians," which is latest euphemism for India and Pakistani nationals as well as Asian peoples from the SE, Orientals, who have higher average IQ.
How long precisely do you think that dog would hunt before a dozen "lawsuits" challenging the facts using truly tortured logic?
Equally importantly, I can think of no more efficient way of cutting off access to college for minorities...no matter how valid the process. Human beings are barely rational at the best of times, this would up-end the apple cart.
PS: yep, usual tortured reasoning has already occurred on thread.
"That testing and academic performance does not correlate to later success in college." Uh, bull**** it doesn't, 99.9% of the time. I performed with mediocrity Jr. and Sr. High, but excelled in elementary and college. So what? The standarized tests said it all, throughout.
