Black and white vs. gray (perception/relativism)
Posted 01-26-2016 at 11:56 AM by Stymie13
Brief excerpt from a 'debate' I had years ago and, reflections on a change in my heart...(note: I was the believer in black and white, not gray, but not from Moral Law).
If God exists and is the truth, then his Moral Law must be true and there can't be a relativist/perception based truth that contradicts God. There can't be 2 truths to morality.
If God doesn't exist, then there really is no moral law, just some man created illusions, fluid with changes in societal norms, time periods, etc... Murder, rape, etc... Are 'bad' but not wrong as their is no true moral Authority besides man, in which case it is one opinion vs another, no matter how heinous one may view that other opinion.
If God exists, right and wrong, black and white vs gray, must be the correct law as God is supreme, pure, and indefinite in his laws.
We can choose to ignore his laws, and we often do, but it doesn't change the law. Additionally, we can't define those laws as they are immutable: we can only discover them. Like the laws of math or physics, they were in place before us, we just discovered them (2+2 = 4 before and after man in this universe). Also, every society has defined those Moral laws the same: murder, deceit, rape, etc... So either God imprinted those moral laws on all humans or...??? One can semantics evil, but not define it. Like love. They are undefinable but we know it when we see or feel it (slavery or the Jewish holocaust ex. Of evil, love of a child example of love). All attempts to define are just examples of actions on behalf of the feeling/emotion.
I think, 10 years ago when we bantered black/white/gray, I had the argument right (philosophically), and you had the Moral Argument right. My actions were more relativistic whereas yours were black/white.
I do believe in God. Doesn't give me a right to judge others and these days, I'd rather listen than debate. Doesn't mean my ego doesn't scream to do the latter... That's why I pray so much
If God exists and is the truth, then his Moral Law must be true and there can't be a relativist/perception based truth that contradicts God. There can't be 2 truths to morality.
If God doesn't exist, then there really is no moral law, just some man created illusions, fluid with changes in societal norms, time periods, etc... Murder, rape, etc... Are 'bad' but not wrong as their is no true moral Authority besides man, in which case it is one opinion vs another, no matter how heinous one may view that other opinion.
If God exists, right and wrong, black and white vs gray, must be the correct law as God is supreme, pure, and indefinite in his laws.
We can choose to ignore his laws, and we often do, but it doesn't change the law. Additionally, we can't define those laws as they are immutable: we can only discover them. Like the laws of math or physics, they were in place before us, we just discovered them (2+2 = 4 before and after man in this universe). Also, every society has defined those Moral laws the same: murder, deceit, rape, etc... So either God imprinted those moral laws on all humans or...??? One can semantics evil, but not define it. Like love. They are undefinable but we know it when we see or feel it (slavery or the Jewish holocaust ex. Of evil, love of a child example of love). All attempts to define are just examples of actions on behalf of the feeling/emotion.
I think, 10 years ago when we bantered black/white/gray, I had the argument right (philosophically), and you had the Moral Argument right. My actions were more relativistic whereas yours were black/white.
I do believe in God. Doesn't give me a right to judge others and these days, I'd rather listen than debate. Doesn't mean my ego doesn't scream to do the latter... That's why I pray so much
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