Are Ahmadis Muslim?
Posted 01-02-2016 at 09:59 PM by Continuum
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On this issue we need to deliberate matters and issues under various perspectives to assess their validity.
1. First no humans can be Allah [omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient and Omni-whatever], thus can never be absolutely 100% certain they know something.
2. Since humans are not Allah, they cannot know the truth about another person's real thoughts if that person does not reveal it truthfully. This is why we can never know whether a person is a Muslim or not. It is the same we cannot know for sure whether one is truly a Communists, Nazi, Christian, or any other ideology. Therefore we should forget totally on wanting to know such God-based truth. This point is moot for our discussion.
3. Even in some very marginal cases of murder there is no way the judge and jury and be 100% certain whether the person on the stand is the murderer or not. [Only God knows if one believe in God]. However there are objective methods that can be used to determine knowledge that is as close as possible to the exact truth based on various evidences.
4. Similarly we can assess whether a person is a Muslim or not based on objective evidences available to us as humans. Such objective truth will determine whether a person is a Muslim or not. This objective truth is valid for a Muslim or Muslim groups to be recognized by the government authorities for tax exemptions, financial assistance and others considerations REGARDLESS whether the 'Muslim' is telling the truth about his/her beliefs.
5. The above objective truth of a Muslim thus determine whether a person is technically a Muslim or not.
6. A person is technically a Muslim if he qualify within the following;[INDENT]a. Enter into a covenant with Allah, explicitly [e.g. declare sahada] or implicitly [e.g. birth].
b. Done the following regularly as expected, pray, fast, pay zakat,
c. Will do pilgrimage to Mecca when can afford it.
d. Comply with as many terms and conditions in the Quran as possible within his capabilities.
[/INDENT]7. On the basis of 6, Ahamadis are technically Muslims.
The Ahmadis declared the following;
[INDENT][INDENT][B]We [Ahmadis] believe in Islam as taught in the Holy Quran and as illustrated in practice by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. [/B]
[B] Our belief is that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was the Last and final Prophet, after whom no prophet whatsoever can appear.[/B]
[URL="http://www.ahmadiyya.org/who.htm"]A word about ourselves[/URL]
[/INDENT][/INDENT]The Ahmadis view the Quran and Muhammad as the most superior elements of Allah.
Whatever SOME Ahmadis may claim, essentially the Ahmadis regard Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as another person [a great person] who gave expositions of the Quran just like the various scholars of the respective Madhab.
Since the Ahmadis [in essence] do not claim Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is greater than Muhammad and besides they never come up with another Quran or holy book, the Ahamadis are technically Muslims.
Thus the inter-squabbles within Sunni and the Ahmadis are merely peripheral issues and do not effect the essence of the matter of whether the Ahamadis are Muslims or not.
The Ahamadis are not Sunni Muslims, nor Shia Muslims nor Sufi Muslims.
Based on my arguments above, the Ahamadis are technically Muslims, i.e. Ahmadis Muslims.
On this issue we need to deliberate matters and issues under various perspectives to assess their validity.
1. First no humans can be Allah [omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient and Omni-whatever], thus can never be absolutely 100% certain they know something.
2. Since humans are not Allah, they cannot know the truth about another person's real thoughts if that person does not reveal it truthfully. This is why we can never know whether a person is a Muslim or not. It is the same we cannot know for sure whether one is truly a Communists, Nazi, Christian, or any other ideology. Therefore we should forget totally on wanting to know such God-based truth. This point is moot for our discussion.
3. Even in some very marginal cases of murder there is no way the judge and jury and be 100% certain whether the person on the stand is the murderer or not. [Only God knows if one believe in God]. However there are objective methods that can be used to determine knowledge that is as close as possible to the exact truth based on various evidences.
4. Similarly we can assess whether a person is a Muslim or not based on objective evidences available to us as humans. Such objective truth will determine whether a person is a Muslim or not. This objective truth is valid for a Muslim or Muslim groups to be recognized by the government authorities for tax exemptions, financial assistance and others considerations REGARDLESS whether the 'Muslim' is telling the truth about his/her beliefs.
5. The above objective truth of a Muslim thus determine whether a person is technically a Muslim or not.
6. A person is technically a Muslim if he qualify within the following;[INDENT]a. Enter into a covenant with Allah, explicitly [e.g. declare sahada] or implicitly [e.g. birth].
b. Done the following regularly as expected, pray, fast, pay zakat,
c. Will do pilgrimage to Mecca when can afford it.
d. Comply with as many terms and conditions in the Quran as possible within his capabilities.
[/INDENT]7. On the basis of 6, Ahamadis are technically Muslims.
The Ahmadis declared the following;
[INDENT][INDENT][B]We [Ahmadis] believe in Islam as taught in the Holy Quran and as illustrated in practice by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. [/B]
[B] Our belief is that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was the Last and final Prophet, after whom no prophet whatsoever can appear.[/B]
[URL="http://www.ahmadiyya.org/who.htm"]A word about ourselves[/URL]
[/INDENT][/INDENT]The Ahmadis view the Quran and Muhammad as the most superior elements of Allah.
Whatever SOME Ahmadis may claim, essentially the Ahmadis regard Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as another person [a great person] who gave expositions of the Quran just like the various scholars of the respective Madhab.
Since the Ahmadis [in essence] do not claim Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is greater than Muhammad and besides they never come up with another Quran or holy book, the Ahamadis are technically Muslims.
Thus the inter-squabbles within Sunni and the Ahmadis are merely peripheral issues and do not effect the essence of the matter of whether the Ahamadis are Muslims or not.
The Ahamadis are not Sunni Muslims, nor Shia Muslims nor Sufi Muslims.
Based on my arguments above, the Ahamadis are technically Muslims, i.e. Ahmadis Muslims.
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