AUSTIN vs. NASHVILLE
AUSTIN vs. NASHVILLE You're talking about 2 of my favorite cities. I grew up in Nashville (moved there from ATL at age 5 in '55) Lived there 3 times in my youth for total of 17 years. Left in '75 for Austin, and lived there twice with 3 years in L.A. sandwiched in for a total of 11 years in Austin. The two cities are VERY different but that's coming from someone who knows both intimately. There are many superficial similarities though, enough so that the cities are constantly being compared. An example of why this is so is the historical link between the two state capitals – They shared a governor, the only man to ever have served as governor of two states, Sam Houston, and the most famous governor of each state. Sam Houston is considered the father of Texas and the namesake of the largest Texas city. His statue is the most renowed monument in the city and can be seen near Meacham Fountain Roundabout in the Museum District. All Tennesseans visiting Houston should be sure to see this statue and monument in a quite gorgeous urban setting.
Austin has a huge university, a Nashville suburb, Murfreesboro has one that is one-half the size. But the Nashville area also has more colleges and universities than Austin. Austin area maybe has 75,000 students in 4-year institutions, all in the city and in San Marcus and Georgetown, in 4 universities. Nashville area has 70,000 in 4 counties with about 19 4-year schools. As it happens I have degrees from the premier institutions in both cities, Vanderbilt '72 and UTexas '81. Nashville has a terrific symphony, a spectacular new classical symphony hall and a very interesting trio of art museums, the Frist, the Parthenon and Cheekwood. Austin's symphony is not notable, and it has a couple of small art museums of interest. Austin suburbs not quite as interesting unless you count Westlake, which is gorgeous but otherwise a little boring. Nashville has the stupendous Franklin, Brentwood, Forest Hills, and fabulous in-town 'burb of Belle Meade and the very attractive Green Hills retail and residential district, a type of district not present in Austin. Not to mention, for economic impact, Murfreesboro, Smyrna, and La Verne which are in one of the nation's fastest growing counties, with a large university there too. Austin area has the economic powerhouse of Round Rock, which probably is the country's fastest growing city, but not nearly as interesting a burb as the ones near Nashville. However residential areas of west Austin and incorporated and unincorporated areas around Lake Travis are quite beautiful and unique.
As for downtowns, Austin has the edge because of Lady Bird Lake and surrounding parkland and running/biking trails, and bodacious entertainment diversions, many offbeat, outdoing downtown Nashville in this way. But Nashville downtown holds its own with entertainment and cultural amenities, one of the best symphony halls in the country, classical architecture, and history. And, although Austin has more centrally located parkland, you have to see the Warner Park (pair of parks) complex in Nashville to believe it. I think that only Griffith Park in LA is larger city park. Also you have antebellum mansions all around Nashville. N's downtown night life has finally caught up to A's after lagging for several decades. Tons of live music of all kinds in both places. I think Austin area has about 100,000- more residents. But it was almost twice the size of A., when I moved to A. in the 70's and has big league sports while A does not. (Though Austin is growing faster.) Both places have a midtown district but A's is dominated by the University, while N's is larger and more heterogeneous/interesting with a large university and historic park to boot, home to the Parthenon. Both places have economies that are driven by high educational levels. And I must mention that Nashville has several top tier, historic private prep schools, Austin does not.
Nashville has a medical center in the nation's top 20, Austin does not have a major medical center. If you live in Austin and need a transplant guess what? You are going to go to San Antonio or Houston, including for all the preliminaries and follow-up. In Nashville you can get any medical procedure you need, because of the world-class medical sector there, built up largely from research at VU (see photo below), but I assume the other major medical centers there are competitive. A situation totally absent in Austin with low profile medical footprint because Austin has been low end on the medical procedure availability.
. Example: robotic surgery for prostate cancer was invented at VU by Joseph Smith: https://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/report...x.html?ID=2691
Austin is culturally and politically to the left of Nashville but both Davidson and Travis counties went for Kerry in '04. Travis was the only large county in Texas to do so, but I think 3 large counties in TN went for Kerry. You may have to get used to Red state culture, but both cities are real tolerant. BTW the only person to have served as governor of more than one state was Sam Houston who served in Nashville and Austin, and resigned both positions. (for what it's worth the TN capitol bldg can't compare to the grandeur of the one in Austin. But then Nashville has the Parthenon)
The aquatic activities in Nashville are quite different from Austin, there's nothing like Barton Creek greenbelt in Nashville, but then there is nothing like the Harpeth in Austin. You can go tubing down the Harpeth and canoeing also and it's pretty close in. I think in Austin if you wanted to go river canoeing you have to go to the Llano 70 miles away, or the San Marcos river 30 miles away, unless dodging boaters on Lake Austin is acceptable. The Harpeth is not as far. Nashville also has the Stones river. BTW I remember going on one tubing trip on a long slow stretch of the Harpeth, it was murder by sunburn. Check with knowledgeable persons before tubing for the fast moving water. If you like the Harpeth you might want to get a copy of The Bell Witch. So far as lakes are concerned Austin is very close to 3 lakes, of varying size, including a small one downtown, Nashville has 2 large lakes in the metro, and a large riverfront downtown.
I've lived in Nashville 3 times and Austin twice. I've posted many times on the differences between these two cities, and you cannot convince me there is anything that definitively puts Austin ahead in the comparisons unless you are left politically which may be underlying some opinions here. Yes Austin is the beauty queen of Texas, and the downtown riverfront (lakefront) is prettier than Nashville's but in Nashville you get a full blown riverboat cruise. Austin has a lot more swimming holes along the creeks and greenbelts and at Barton Springs or Deep Eddy, but in terms of preserves and forest and parklands showcasing the natural forested beauty of the area, Nashville wins hands down with Radnor, Warner, Beaman and other spectacular preserves not matched in Austin. Although Wild Basin and the Barton Creek greenbelt are great when not crowded. Also great float tripping or canoeing/kayaking in Nashville on the Harpeth. In Austin you can only do this on Barton Creek after a huge rain, and the rock formations make it pretty iffy at that, and in July/August forget it as the creek bed closer into the metro has been sucked dry by the fissures in the aquifer recharge zone.
Now suppose you want to get out of Austin fast. If you go N or S you are OK on the one interstate as long as you don't go through the downtown IH-35 bottleneck. The state did build a tollway around the east side of Austin in an attempt to relieve traffic, but it is a boondoggle and is way underused because of tolls and out of the way routing. But suppose you go to Houston a lot. You have to hit dozens of lights in and out on either of the 2 routes. Same problem going to Fredricksburg or Kerrville. Nashville by contrast has 3 interstates with 6 spokes giving you great access to other interesting cities; also by air more non-stop flights to major U. S. cities than does Austin, which connects many flights to DFW or Houston. Nashville has especially good air service to NYC and L.A. because of the supporting role in media there.
So far as the satellite cities go, the Nashville region wins here. There is nothing like Franklin, Brentwood or Cool Springs near Austin, so far as visually, historically or economically. San Marcos is nice, maybe half the size of Murfreesboro with a University and a nice river, but without the dynamism or historical significance of Murfreesboro or Franklin. Round Rock is a dynamic area with Dell HQ but with no downtown, interesting history, or no river, hard to get excited about it. Nashville metro wins here.
My previous being pretty one-sided prompts this one. I would not trade my experience in Austin for anything, I have precious memories of the place. The city managed to bootstrap itself into a generator of cultural legends in the '70's and that is when I arrived, in '75 in the pre-tech Austin. I wasn't in Berkeley in the '60's but I was in Austin in the '70's, and Nashville doesn't have a vibe which quite compares to this cultural history. Most of the icons of this period (Townes Van Zant, Willie, Gary P. Nunn, Michael Murphy, Jerry Jeff Walker etc etc etc) were native Texans which further cemented the iconographical feel of Austin. You might wonder why this particular place? All I can say is that there is no way to describe standing on a front porch in near South Austin or Clarksville (neighborhood near downtown) and getting that "don't you just love it" feeling for the place say in spring or early summer. In the '70's there were about a dozen small natural food stores ("The Good Food Store") clustered in central neighborhoods where most customers arrived on bikes with backpacks of course. Yeah the place was a hippy/ artist haven and I consider the term haven the absolute accurate moniker for that period. The natural foods milieu fostered the opening of the first Whole Foods Market on Lamar where I would invariably run into my new age friends in the '80's.
Now this has mostly changed as Austin is 4 times larger now. South Austin still has the funky vibe but tempered by high real estate prices, teardowns, and townhouse construction. Austin is not a corporate headquarters magnet like Nashville or Coolsprings, but it is a site magnet for tech companies. All of this comes together into a wonderful, edgy cultural mix kind of like west coast cities, Texas style. Fry Electronics has a presence there; I don't think Nashville is on their radar, which is an indication of the edgy, tech oriented population trend of Austin. Naturally, progressive types are drawn to Austin, this is the main reason for its explosive growth as progressives abandon coastal states ravaged by progressive fiscal and social policies. As you might guess, a non-ideologue like myself looks askance at this aspect of Austin but I still love the place. I know this is a Nashville board but this is an adjunct to my last post comparing two cities and I'm going to link to an article which elaborates on the situation in Austin, published in a Houston paper by an Austin expatriot: http://www.houstonpress.com/2011-06-09/news/finding-austin/
Now so far as amenities and media: Here are 2 ways in which Nashville is larger scale: You have another metro centered 48 miles from downtown Nashville, at Clarksville. This puts you at a (1) larger media market and (2) larger airport traffic. Hence, better quality over-air and print media and MANY more non-stops terminating at Nashville BNA than Austin/Bergstrom. It helps that Nashville is a tourist destination, Austin is not. Coupled with the much better interstate highway system in Nashville, Austin is not in the same league as to transportation, by a long shot. Trust me, as I spent 9 months of weekends traveling between Austin and Houston to renovate my house up there, I got really irritated at having to stop and go in and out of Austin, and this with fully TWO equal routes between the two cities. Those traffic lights ate up a lot of my life; weekend partiers from Atlanta and Chattanooga have no such problem coming to Nashville. One more thing about print media: The Tennessean is much more state-wide than The American-Statesman, down here the Chronicle and Morning News dominate the state, mainly the Morning News.
Now there is another nearby metro to Austin: San Antonio, 80 miles separating the two downtowns. But they are not close enough to have a single media market or airport.
Aesthetics and weather: The two cities are of equivalent appeal aesthetically. Austin is less humid than Nashville, Nashville less humid than where I am, Houston. But be careful about using humidity as a measure of appeal, for the following reasons. Austin in July and August in a normal year gets no or almost no rain, and brother it is hot. The city takes on a brown look, not totally of course, but all over you will see dead herbal matter, like in parks, medians, vacant lots. The trees often start to wilt, further hiding their green. The worst part is that the city and most of the 'burbs impose watering restrictions, routinely every year except in 2007 when the whole state got tropical storms on 60+ days during summer. Rent houses and vacant houses lose their lawns or huge portions of such, with few exceptions, tenants don't deal with it. This year Central Texas and most of the state (not including Houston and East TX) suffered the worst drought since '53 or something. Many trees died in Austin, Central and South TX.
Nashville is more lush botanically, but the hills west of Austin are bigger than the ones around Nashville and have as much or more visual impact, but not as much greenery. But you can go 50 miles to the east of Nashville to the Cumberland Plateau, and the Texas Hill Country can't beat this geography, because of the forests and spectacular waterfalls, however the Hill Country is quite wonderful with spring and river fed swimming holes, and cypress lined rivers through the rocky terrain. (Hill Country culture however is way more interesting than the Cumberlands) There is much more preserved land in the Cumberlands now than when I was living there, with wilderness areas, much more so than the Texas hill country.
The upshot of what I'm saying, is that Nashville is green beyond compare to Austin. Austin and environs are nevertheless lovely, don't get me wrong. So far as seasons go Nashville's 4 seasons are more distinct than in Austin. The season changes in Nashville are intense, in Austin the season changes seem tentative and not dramatic, hence central Texas fall color cannot compare to Middle Tennessee. Winters are fairly different too, Nashville's will get at least a couple of snow accumulations per year, accumulation happens in Austin about once every 15 years.
Austin has a huge university, a Nashville suburb, Murfreesboro has one that is one-half the size. But the Nashville area also has more colleges and universities than Austin. Austin area maybe has 75,000 students in 4-year institutions, all in the city and in San Marcus and Georgetown, in 4 universities. Nashville area has 70,000 in 4 counties with about 19 4-year schools. As it happens I have degrees from the premier institutions in both cities, Vanderbilt '72 and UTexas '81. Nashville has a terrific symphony, a spectacular new classical symphony hall and a very interesting trio of art museums, the Frist, the Parthenon and Cheekwood. Austin's symphony is not notable, and it has a couple of small art museums of interest. Austin suburbs not quite as interesting unless you count Westlake, which is gorgeous but otherwise a little boring. Nashville has the stupendous Franklin, Brentwood, Forest Hills, and fabulous in-town 'burb of Belle Meade and the very attractive Green Hills retail and residential district, a type of district not present in Austin. Not to mention, for economic impact, Murfreesboro, Smyrna, and La Verne which are in one of the nation's fastest growing counties, with a large university there too. Austin area has the economic powerhouse of Round Rock, which probably is the country's fastest growing city, but not nearly as interesting a burb as the ones near Nashville. However residential areas of west Austin and incorporated and unincorporated areas around Lake Travis are quite beautiful and unique.
As for downtowns, Austin has the edge because of Lady Bird Lake and surrounding parkland and running/biking trails, and bodacious entertainment diversions, many offbeat, outdoing downtown Nashville in this way. But Nashville downtown holds its own with entertainment and cultural amenities, one of the best symphony halls in the country, classical architecture, and history. And, although Austin has more centrally located parkland, you have to see the Warner Park (pair of parks) complex in Nashville to believe it. I think that only Griffith Park in LA is larger city park. Also you have antebellum mansions all around Nashville. N's downtown night life has finally caught up to A's after lagging for several decades. Tons of live music of all kinds in both places. I think Austin area has about 100,000- more residents. But it was almost twice the size of A., when I moved to A. in the 70's and has big league sports while A does not. (Though Austin is growing faster.) Both places have a midtown district but A's is dominated by the University, while N's is larger and more heterogeneous/interesting with a large university and historic park to boot, home to the Parthenon. Both places have economies that are driven by high educational levels. And I must mention that Nashville has several top tier, historic private prep schools, Austin does not.
Nashville has a medical center in the nation's top 20, Austin does not have a major medical center. If you live in Austin and need a transplant guess what? You are going to go to San Antonio or Houston, including for all the preliminaries and follow-up. In Nashville you can get any medical procedure you need, because of the world-class medical sector there, built up largely from research at VU (see photo below), but I assume the other major medical centers there are competitive. A situation totally absent in Austin with low profile medical footprint because Austin has been low end on the medical procedure availability.
. Example: robotic surgery for prostate cancer was invented at VU by Joseph Smith: https://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/report...x.html?ID=2691
Austin is culturally and politically to the left of Nashville but both Davidson and Travis counties went for Kerry in '04. Travis was the only large county in Texas to do so, but I think 3 large counties in TN went for Kerry. You may have to get used to Red state culture, but both cities are real tolerant. BTW the only person to have served as governor of more than one state was Sam Houston who served in Nashville and Austin, and resigned both positions. (for what it's worth the TN capitol bldg can't compare to the grandeur of the one in Austin. But then Nashville has the Parthenon)
The aquatic activities in Nashville are quite different from Austin, there's nothing like Barton Creek greenbelt in Nashville, but then there is nothing like the Harpeth in Austin. You can go tubing down the Harpeth and canoeing also and it's pretty close in. I think in Austin if you wanted to go river canoeing you have to go to the Llano 70 miles away, or the San Marcos river 30 miles away, unless dodging boaters on Lake Austin is acceptable. The Harpeth is not as far. Nashville also has the Stones river. BTW I remember going on one tubing trip on a long slow stretch of the Harpeth, it was murder by sunburn. Check with knowledgeable persons before tubing for the fast moving water. If you like the Harpeth you might want to get a copy of The Bell Witch. So far as lakes are concerned Austin is very close to 3 lakes, of varying size, including a small one downtown, Nashville has 2 large lakes in the metro, and a large riverfront downtown.
I've lived in Nashville 3 times and Austin twice. I've posted many times on the differences between these two cities, and you cannot convince me there is anything that definitively puts Austin ahead in the comparisons unless you are left politically which may be underlying some opinions here. Yes Austin is the beauty queen of Texas, and the downtown riverfront (lakefront) is prettier than Nashville's but in Nashville you get a full blown riverboat cruise. Austin has a lot more swimming holes along the creeks and greenbelts and at Barton Springs or Deep Eddy, but in terms of preserves and forest and parklands showcasing the natural forested beauty of the area, Nashville wins hands down with Radnor, Warner, Beaman and other spectacular preserves not matched in Austin. Although Wild Basin and the Barton Creek greenbelt are great when not crowded. Also great float tripping or canoeing/kayaking in Nashville on the Harpeth. In Austin you can only do this on Barton Creek after a huge rain, and the rock formations make it pretty iffy at that, and in July/August forget it as the creek bed closer into the metro has been sucked dry by the fissures in the aquifer recharge zone.
Now suppose you want to get out of Austin fast. If you go N or S you are OK on the one interstate as long as you don't go through the downtown IH-35 bottleneck. The state did build a tollway around the east side of Austin in an attempt to relieve traffic, but it is a boondoggle and is way underused because of tolls and out of the way routing. But suppose you go to Houston a lot. You have to hit dozens of lights in and out on either of the 2 routes. Same problem going to Fredricksburg or Kerrville. Nashville by contrast has 3 interstates with 6 spokes giving you great access to other interesting cities; also by air more non-stop flights to major U. S. cities than does Austin, which connects many flights to DFW or Houston. Nashville has especially good air service to NYC and L.A. because of the supporting role in media there.
So far as the satellite cities go, the Nashville region wins here. There is nothing like Franklin, Brentwood or Cool Springs near Austin, so far as visually, historically or economically. San Marcos is nice, maybe half the size of Murfreesboro with a University and a nice river, but without the dynamism or historical significance of Murfreesboro or Franklin. Round Rock is a dynamic area with Dell HQ but with no downtown, interesting history, or no river, hard to get excited about it. Nashville metro wins here.
My previous being pretty one-sided prompts this one. I would not trade my experience in Austin for anything, I have precious memories of the place. The city managed to bootstrap itself into a generator of cultural legends in the '70's and that is when I arrived, in '75 in the pre-tech Austin. I wasn't in Berkeley in the '60's but I was in Austin in the '70's, and Nashville doesn't have a vibe which quite compares to this cultural history. Most of the icons of this period (Townes Van Zant, Willie, Gary P. Nunn, Michael Murphy, Jerry Jeff Walker etc etc etc) were native Texans which further cemented the iconographical feel of Austin. You might wonder why this particular place? All I can say is that there is no way to describe standing on a front porch in near South Austin or Clarksville (neighborhood near downtown) and getting that "don't you just love it" feeling for the place say in spring or early summer. In the '70's there were about a dozen small natural food stores ("The Good Food Store") clustered in central neighborhoods where most customers arrived on bikes with backpacks of course. Yeah the place was a hippy/ artist haven and I consider the term haven the absolute accurate moniker for that period. The natural foods milieu fostered the opening of the first Whole Foods Market on Lamar where I would invariably run into my new age friends in the '80's.
Now this has mostly changed as Austin is 4 times larger now. South Austin still has the funky vibe but tempered by high real estate prices, teardowns, and townhouse construction. Austin is not a corporate headquarters magnet like Nashville or Coolsprings, but it is a site magnet for tech companies. All of this comes together into a wonderful, edgy cultural mix kind of like west coast cities, Texas style. Fry Electronics has a presence there; I don't think Nashville is on their radar, which is an indication of the edgy, tech oriented population trend of Austin. Naturally, progressive types are drawn to Austin, this is the main reason for its explosive growth as progressives abandon coastal states ravaged by progressive fiscal and social policies. As you might guess, a non-ideologue like myself looks askance at this aspect of Austin but I still love the place. I know this is a Nashville board but this is an adjunct to my last post comparing two cities and I'm going to link to an article which elaborates on the situation in Austin, published in a Houston paper by an Austin expatriot: http://www.houstonpress.com/2011-06-09/news/finding-austin/
Now so far as amenities and media: Here are 2 ways in which Nashville is larger scale: You have another metro centered 48 miles from downtown Nashville, at Clarksville. This puts you at a (1) larger media market and (2) larger airport traffic. Hence, better quality over-air and print media and MANY more non-stops terminating at Nashville BNA than Austin/Bergstrom. It helps that Nashville is a tourist destination, Austin is not. Coupled with the much better interstate highway system in Nashville, Austin is not in the same league as to transportation, by a long shot. Trust me, as I spent 9 months of weekends traveling between Austin and Houston to renovate my house up there, I got really irritated at having to stop and go in and out of Austin, and this with fully TWO equal routes between the two cities. Those traffic lights ate up a lot of my life; weekend partiers from Atlanta and Chattanooga have no such problem coming to Nashville. One more thing about print media: The Tennessean is much more state-wide than The American-Statesman, down here the Chronicle and Morning News dominate the state, mainly the Morning News.
Now there is another nearby metro to Austin: San Antonio, 80 miles separating the two downtowns. But they are not close enough to have a single media market or airport.
Aesthetics and weather: The two cities are of equivalent appeal aesthetically. Austin is less humid than Nashville, Nashville less humid than where I am, Houston. But be careful about using humidity as a measure of appeal, for the following reasons. Austin in July and August in a normal year gets no or almost no rain, and brother it is hot. The city takes on a brown look, not totally of course, but all over you will see dead herbal matter, like in parks, medians, vacant lots. The trees often start to wilt, further hiding their green. The worst part is that the city and most of the 'burbs impose watering restrictions, routinely every year except in 2007 when the whole state got tropical storms on 60+ days during summer. Rent houses and vacant houses lose their lawns or huge portions of such, with few exceptions, tenants don't deal with it. This year Central Texas and most of the state (not including Houston and East TX) suffered the worst drought since '53 or something. Many trees died in Austin, Central and South TX.
Nashville is more lush botanically, but the hills west of Austin are bigger than the ones around Nashville and have as much or more visual impact, but not as much greenery. But you can go 50 miles to the east of Nashville to the Cumberland Plateau, and the Texas Hill Country can't beat this geography, because of the forests and spectacular waterfalls, however the Hill Country is quite wonderful with spring and river fed swimming holes, and cypress lined rivers through the rocky terrain. (Hill Country culture however is way more interesting than the Cumberlands) There is much more preserved land in the Cumberlands now than when I was living there, with wilderness areas, much more so than the Texas hill country.
The upshot of what I'm saying, is that Nashville is green beyond compare to Austin. Austin and environs are nevertheless lovely, don't get me wrong. So far as seasons go Nashville's 4 seasons are more distinct than in Austin. The season changes in Nashville are intense, in Austin the season changes seem tentative and not dramatic, hence central Texas fall color cannot compare to Middle Tennessee. Winters are fairly different too, Nashville's will get at least a couple of snow accumulations per year, accumulation happens in Austin about once every 15 years.
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Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville
Posted 10-08-2012 at 08:47 PM by groovamos
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Excellent, thanks for posting!Posted 06-12-2016 at 09:29 PM by joeasher
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LMAO, the OBVIOUS Bias of the poster! The ONLY thing honest about this is the healthcare access with Vanderbilt and HCA based there. Second, having interstates do not necessarily means shorter commutes. Atlanta has 3 interstates and a beltway and traffic is HORRIBLE.
The other stuff is ridiculous! I've been to both. Nashville is an excellent town but don't criticize the toll road as a boondoggle when it does serve a purpose. Second, the Austin Airport is growing fast and has nonstop to Europe now. Not to mention, Austinites can drive to San Antonio if necessary, (70 miles south) to fly out.
Third, its laughable implying towns within an hour of Nashville are somehow more interesting than those around Austin. The Hill Country is renowned for its beauty, its wineries, its German history.
Fourth, entertainment, PLEASE, Nashville is the center of C&W music but what else!? Austin has TWO of the biggest fests in the world with SXSW and Austin City Limits. Then it has the American Grand Prix which draws an international clientele. And having San Antonio 70 miles south offers something Nashville area residents don't have.
As far as college enrollment, you are WAY off! Between Austin and San Marcos, there are far more students than metro Nashville. Vanderbilt is maybe 15,000 students vs. over 50,000 at Texas and another 30,000 at Texas state.Posted 12-14-2016 at 08:42 AM by walker1962
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