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I may have no objective understanding, but you have no understanding at all. Your narrative exposes someone who is either extremely biased or blindly naive about the realities of the Middle East in general and the Arab-Israeli conflict in particular.
And you haven't explained why, if the Arabs would be "delighted with peaceful co-existence", there was no such co-existence prior to the occupation (or any effort to create a sovereign Palestinian state for that matter). On the contrary, it would be fair to say that Israel hasn't enjoyed one day of real piece with its neighbors since its founding.
The Wiki article profiles dozens upon dozens terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians prior to 1967, when not one inch of the West Bank was occupied by Israel.
You question my objectivity, when you say Arabs "kill each other" as a matter of characteristic cultural routine. You might recall that it was not the Arabs who fought WWII, during my own lifetime. Arabs had little influence on Stalin and Mao.
Egypt and Jordan have already normalized relations with Israel. The Arabs who invaded Israel in the 1940s are now all dead, the generations who now live in the Middle East understand how fruitless it would be to dream of a dissolved and non-existent Israel, and would much rather live with a neighbor they can trust, than to continue the futile exercises of trying to exterminate it..
The few who still live in the past (extremely biased or blindly naive) are doing all they can to perpetuate old animosities. These are new times.
You question my objectivity, when you say Arabs "kill each other" as a matter of characteristic cultural routine. You might recall that it was not the Arabs who fought WWII, during my own lifetime. Arabs had little influence on Stalin and Mao.
Egypt and Jordan have already normalized relations with Israel. The Arabs who invaded Israel in the 1940s are now all dead, the generations who now live in the Middle East understand how fruitless it would be to dream of a dissolved and non-existent Israel, and would much rather live with a neighbor they can trust, than to continue the futile exercises of trying to exterminate it..
The few who still live in the past (extremely biased or blindly naive) are doing all they can to perpetuate old animosities. These are new times.
That certainly would have been the rational approach to the problem after almost 70 years of fruitless conflict which has resulted in nothing but misery for the Palestinians. Unfortunately, as history has shown time and time again and continues to show to this day, the Middle East is not a very rational place.
That certainly would have been the rational approach to the problem after almost 70 years of fruitless conflict which has resulted in nothing but misery for the Palestinians. Unfortunately, as history has shown time and time again and continues to show to this day, the Middle East is not a very rational place.
It is easy to be pessimistic, and easy to find justification for it. But the fact is, logic and reason are the default mechanism, and generally tend to prevail unless there is a sufficiently irresistible force applied to defy it.
Right at this moment, I don't see the Middle East, rational or otherwise, paying an awfully lot of attention to Israel.
I have always wondered why a "developed" country needed so much foreign aid.
There is no "need". The money is per the Treaty that the US penned for the Egypt/Israel Treaty. The US wanted priority access to the Suez Canal, Egypt wanted the Sinai back and Israel had to paid off for both to happen. USAID prints the check, but the money does not come from their budget.
As to right now, it's a subsidy to the US’s military industry. If you don't think so, then read the line that states 75% of it MUST be spent in the US’s military industry.
There is no "need". The money is per the Treaty that the US penned for the Egypt/Israel Treaty. The US wanted priority access to the Suez Canal, Egypt wanted the Sinai back and Israel had to paid off for both to happen. USAID prints the check, but the money does not come from their budget.
As to right now, it's a subsidy to the US’s military industry. If you don't think so, then read the line that states 75% of it MUST be spent in the US’s military industry.
And this is what makes the arrangement so outrageous and despicable to so many Americans-especially those of us that are Anti-War.
The $141 Billion total given to Israel has only fueled the military industrial complex and lined the coffers of war corporations loosely based in the US. Our young troops have died or have become forever disabled/mentally impaired solely for the profit of a few oil and war corporations. A lost generation. Our involvement has only brought tension and terror to the Middle East, and it is long time The US cut ties with the entire region-Israel included and began to spend OUR OWN MONEY on fixing the massive problems we have at home. I mean, our country is falling apart, and our greedy politicians continue to go about "business as usual"-funneling money to those at the top.
The real question is if The United States can survive if it continues to line the pockets of detached/nationless banking, oil, drug and war corporations. We protect ancient institutions that should have collapsed and dissolved long ago due to corruption and incompetence, yet nearly all legislation and war is designed to keep them in power.
The real question is if The United States can survive if it continues to line the pockets of detached/nationless banking, oil, drug and war corporations. We protect ancient institutions that should have collapsed and dissolved long ago due to corruption and incompetence, yet nearly all legislation and war is designed to keep them in power.
Not a factor. Way less than one percent of out total federal budget goes to foreign aid. Even if we sent it into space, it would have negligible effect on our economy. But what we do spend is often tied to a commitment that the foreign government spend it through US banks or corporate entities, so most of it comes right back, and even gets multiplied with increased US jobs and export earnings.
Not a factor. Way less than one percent of out total federal budget goes to foreign aid. Even if we sent it into space, it would have negligible effect on our economy. But what we do spend is often tied to a commitment that the foreign government spend it through US banks or corporate entities, so most of it comes right back, and even gets multiplied with increased US jobs and export earnings.
Right. Then why are these multi-national corporations outsourcing all of our jobs out of the country when corporate profit is at an all time high?
People need to learn that what is good for these nationless/detached corporate entities "loosely based" in the United States is not what is good for the United States or her people. They are separate.
To make corporate profits even higher. That's why they exist. Nobody invests his money in an industry for altruistic reasons, nor patriotic ones.
Exactly why I say what is good for these "multi-national" or as I call them "nationless" corporations is not what is good for our country.
Of the 100 largest economies in the World today there are more "multi-national" corporations than entire nations of people. The goal is one-world economic hegemony where national borders mean nothing. By supporting them you support the US losing sovereignty as a nation, and whole chunks of our citizens joining the ranks of the poor, desperate and exploited. We are nearly halfway there.
Anyway, I would love for our Government to support actual Israeli citizens that need help (and Palestinians) but I hate supporting war corporations and corrupt Governments, which is all we do.
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