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Old 02-21-2024, 12:01 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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  • Writing apps
  • Tutoring
  • Stock trading
  • Consulting
  • Commissioned Sales
  • Inventing new products
  • Tour guides for private clients (during summer breaks). Pretty common side gig (paid travel + tips)
  • Nanny / private tutor for the ultra rich
  • side business. One teacher friend does epoxy floor finishes for commercial places like Home Depot / Lowes / Costco. Must do it in the middle of the night and on weekends... PERFECT timing for a teacher - by - weekday.
Of the bolded, how many of them do those things on school time with school materials and equipment?

That was one reason we started being issued copy paper individually, a couple of the staff "entrepreneurs" used it all for their side gigs.
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Old 02-21-2024, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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They're not making more at those jobs than as a teacher.


What the hell are you talking about?
You are wrong. I know a couple of contractors who also teach. Construction pays far more than teaching.
I also know a teacher/bartender who earns more than 100k at a high-end resort. That is common here.
Others are Realtors on the side and earn more.
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Old 02-21-2024, 04:57 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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And? What’s the problem?

This is specifically occurring at high schools, as administrators realize that it’s not only possible but more cost-effective to have one sub sit with several classes as opposed to one class. It’s actually a testament to student behavior and engagement. And it isn’t an issue because the students are often completing coursework assigned remotely by their teacher. It isn’t as if the sub is actually teaching several classes of students. Rather, they’re just an adult presence in the room to make sue that students are present and accounted for. I’ve been that sub on many occasions and you *literally* just take attendance, then sit there all day long while the students quietly complete work independently on their computers. Those students rarely ask anything of the sub because, quite frankly, they don’t need anything from them.

Just because a student spends several periods a day in study halls doesn’t mean they aren’t learning by completing work for their classes. In fact, a lot of teachers time their absences to align with student “work days.”
I didn't say it was a problem, just what is happening in schools. I don't agree that much coursework is being done. All teachers are not assigning work in Google Classroom or whatever platform they are using. Most of these students are playing games or watching TikTok videos.

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That’s not something I find admirable.
It might be a generational change or might be a result of administrative policies. All I know is that my teachers were rarely out of the classroom during my 13 years from K-12. There were definitely no teacher vacations during the school year.

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What the hell jobs are they doing on the side to make more money?
In the school district where I used to live, an art teacher sold real estate. I know one teacher who is a ski patrol. I've know several who work construction. One runs a construction business. I hired him to do roof repairs.

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Most places don't pay subs so not a surprise. It used to be an okay retirement job where you'd occasionally get called in, get enough money to have a nice dinner at a restaurant, but the hours were too infrequent and pay way too low to really attract anyone except for people who were in school to become teachers or retired people. But now you don't need to be credentialed to be a teacher anymore so the aspiring teachers aren't subbing anymore as they're teaching. The schools don't discipline and expel the kids so it's not worth the money for the retired to put up with it.
It varies across the country. Most districts around me only hire college graduates. Many of the current subs have teaching certificates. There are not that many job openings outside of a few certifications such as Spanish, physics, and information technology.
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Old 02-21-2024, 05:21 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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It varies across the country. Most districts around me only hire college graduates. Many of the current subs have teaching certificates. There are not that many job openings outside of a few certifications such as Spanish, physics, and information technology.
Historically in Pennsylvania that's how many teachers got jobs, substitute for awhile (years) until there's an opening.

Interestingly enough, a school district near you had a Social Studies slot open last year for three months until it was filled. That system is twenty miles or so from a state college noted for its Education program (and where I went).

Now, they may have been looking for more than a Social Studies teacher but it wasn't in the announcement.

Or, as the Principal (or whatever he was called at DuBois that year told me) when I asked about filling the opening for the dying guy I was a full-time sub for, "Well you know the football team went 1 and 9 this year".
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Old 02-21-2024, 05:29 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Historically in Pennsylvania that's how many teachers got jobs, substitute for awhile (years) until there's an opening.

Interestingly enough, a school district near you had a Social Studies slot open last year for three months until it was filled. That system is twenty miles or so from a state college noted for its Education program (and where I went).

Now, they may have been looking for more than a Social Studies teacher but it wasn't in the announcement.

Or, as the Principal (or whatever he was called at DuBois that year told me) when I asked about filling the opening for the dying guy I was a full-time sub for, "Well you know the football team went 1 and 9 this year".
Yes, many people either subbed or taught in Maryland or Florida for a few years before moving back to PA. I guess a few didn't move back.
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Old 02-21-2024, 05:42 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Yes, many people either subbed or taught in Maryland or Florida for a few years before moving back to PA. I guess a few didn't move back.
I would have lost too much money. And the football team was still 1 and 9.

I also had transitioned from being a hillbilly to being a marshbilly.
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Old 02-21-2024, 11:27 PM
 
Location: WA
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Historically in Pennsylvania that's how many teachers got jobs, substitute for awhile (years) until there's an opening.

Interestingly enough, a school district near you had a Social Studies slot open last year for three months until it was filled. That system is twenty miles or so from a state college noted for its Education program (and where I went).

Now, they may have been looking for more than a Social Studies teacher but it wasn't in the announcement.

Or, as the Principal (or whatever he was called at DuBois that year told me) when I asked about filling the opening for the dying guy I was a full-time sub for, "Well you know the football team went 1 and 9 this year".
Sometimes districts prefer to hire permanent full time teachers during the regular spring hiring season when they have a much wider pick of applicants than out of season when there may only be a few good candidates who don't already have full time jobs. The picking can be slim if you are looking for a new full time hire in say October. So they might hold the position open until they can fill it through their normal spring hiring cycle.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Sometimes districts prefer to hire permanent full time teachers during the regular spring hiring season when they have a much wider pick of applicants than out of season when there may only be a few good candidates who don't already have full time jobs. The picking can be slim if you are looking for a new full time hire in say October. So they might hold the position open until they can fill it through their normal spring hiring cycle.
my district would not hire a full time teacher for the current school year once we got into February
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Old 02-22-2024, 05:37 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Most places don't pay subs so not a surprise. It used to be an okay retirement job where you'd occasionally get called in, get enough money to have a nice dinner at a restaurant, but the hours were too infrequent and pay way too low to really attract anyone except for people who were in school to become teachers or retired people. But now you don't need to be credentialed to be a teacher anymore so the aspiring teachers aren't subbing anymore as they're teaching. The schools don't discipline and expel the kids so it's not worth the money for the retired to put up with it.
Where the hell are you that subs are volunteers? You do need to be credentialed to teach. Again, where the hell are you?
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Old 02-22-2024, 06:03 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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In the school district where I used to live, an art teacher sold real estate. I know one teacher who is a ski patrol. I've know several who work construction. One runs a construction business. I hired him to do roof repairs.
They're also probably not making more than a teacher (except maybe the real estate agent) when they're working seasonal jobs. Nobody seemed to catch that part of the post.
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