SCOTUS to hear Johnson v Grants Pass (homeless camping in public spaces)

[Silverfall]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

There will always be people who have CHOSEN to make bad decisions. It is not incumbent on local or State Gov't to fix them. Your old, Bernie Sanders style clap trap has been proven wrong so many times that you embarrass yourself by always reverting back to it as some sort of solution.

This is too simplistic. Kids who grew up in foster care didn't choose to be there. Kids who grew up with abusive parents didn't choose them as their parents. Kids of alcoholic and druggie parents didn't choose them. Kids don't choose their environment. It is given to them by their parents. There are LONG term consequences for children for having sh*t families. Some people can climb out quickly and others require more support. People have different personalities and some of those personalities can pull themselves out and others can't. Who should support those people who need extra help because it is clear that churches can't do it by themselves?

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by Silverfall

This is too simplistic. Kids who grew up in foster care didn't choose to be there. Kids who grew up with abusive parents didn't choose them as their parents. Kids of alcoholic and druggie parents didn't choose them. Kids don't choose their environment. It is given to them by their parents. There are LONG term consequences for children for having sh*t families. Some people can climb out quickly and others require more support. People have different personalities and some of those personalities can pull themselves out and others can't. Who should support those people who need extra help because it is clear that churches can't do it by themselves?

I remember working with kids who had to choose between sleeping in a park or alley or going home and being raped by a parent's latest "love" interest. Still, most of these kids made it out, but this was before opioids. Fentanyl gets them so fast now.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by ccjarider

Most if not all of the items you mention are readily available to all who contribute to Society. American Capitalism and Free Markets have created the most amazingly efficient machine to create and distribute goods and services the world has ever seen.


Why do you think hundreds of thousands are always trying to enter this country?
How long is the illegal line of people trying to enter China, Russia or N Korea where the state is primary decider of distribution. State Gov't of Oregon cannot solve these issues anymore than my dog could perform heart surgery.



There will always be people who have CHOSEN to make bad decisions. It is not incumbent on local or State Gov't to fix them. Your old, Bernie Sanders style clap trap has been proven wrong so many times that you embarrass yourself by always reverting back to it as some sort of solution.

The most amazingly efficient machine to distribute goods and services, maybe. But you must be playing some game with the word "create". Because you couldn't possibly mean manufacturing. China manufacturers more than the US does by any standards.

I'm not sure why you think that illegal immigration is a positive. But Russia has a substantial number of both legal and illegal immigrants.

So there is nothing particularly remarkable about the US in these regards.

China Is Leading the World on Manufacturing, But the Race Isn't Over - Barron's

Russia demands 1M illegal migrants to leave country

[ccjarider]

Originally Posted by Silverfall

This is too simplistic. Kids who grew up in foster care didn't choose to be there. Kids who grew up with abusive parents didn't choose them as their parents. Kids of alcoholic and druggie parents didn't choose them. Kids don't choose their environment. It is given to them by their parents. There are LONG term consequences for children for having sh*t families. Some people can climb out quickly and others require more support. People have different personalities and some of those personalities can pull themselves out and others can't. Who should support those people who need extra help because it is clear that churches can't do it by themselves?

Been that way since beginning of time.
Churches and PRIVATE organizations that care and have competence will do more than ANYTHING the state could dream up.https://www.google.com/search?q=a&ie...&client=safari

People find themselves in sh&t families/situations all the time. Nothin gonna change that. Certainly not wasting tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.

[Atomicdoug]

It's just wrong. Towns should be able to enforce laws against living/camping on public lands and have vagrancy laws or laws against living in your car. Allowing people to live/camp on public property causes all kinds of issues for towns and city... crime, pollution, health/disease.

Enabling the behavior does not help house the homeless, it just perpetuates it. Should we arrest all the people? That is not a good solution either, but a lot of the homeless are mentally ill, have substance abuse issues or both.

Here in Corvallis there are parts of the downtown waterfront that have been over run by homeless. Thus a family wanting to have a picnic on the grass can no longer use that space.

I don't see how you can say that enforcing vagrancy laws is "cruel and unusual punishment." Seriously doubt this 6-3 court will agree

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

At the middle of this is whether the homeless have the right to camp on public property.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/12/u...ps-oregon.html



This could affect all states under the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Court.