Intel picks Ohio for semiconductor project (Columbus, Cleveland: crime, coop, homes)

[dustin183]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Dustin ... do you know why they call it the "Great Plains"? Do you realize we have more trees now then 100 years ago?

You lost me there. Where are these trees? I don't know what you're talking about.

Can you share a link to prove this

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by dustin183

You lost me there. Where are these trees? I don't know what you're talking about.

Can you share a link to prove this

Lol... really? Where have you been Dustin? do you live in an urban area?

https://www.treehugger.com/more-tree...s-true-4864115

[Wile E. Coyote]

Originally Posted by SlideRules99

Yes the ugly sprawl is inevitable with this degree of growth. Hopefully New Albany and neighboring communities will have the wisdom to preserve some green space as new developments go up.

Big picture though. Carving up some midwestern farmland is a lesser environmental sin that what has happened in Arizona during Intel’s multiple expansions since the 90s. Thousands of acres of pristine Sonoran Desert have been consumed by developers as a function of that growth south and east of Phoenix.

The price of progress…

Guess what I’m saying is if it’s gonna happen, this is not a bad place (environmentally) to absorb some of the growth IMO.

I guess there's more water in Ohio than Arizona. I don't think the lakes there are as empty as Lake Mead. Semi conductors need water.

[Wile E. Coyote]

I guarantee you Intel is getting massive tax breaks to move to Ohio.

[SlideRules99]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

I guarantee you Intel is getting massive tax breaks to move to Ohio.

For sure they did. That would be considered table stakes for anyone looking to bid on a project of this magnitude.

Here’s a good article detailing some of the negotiations and decision process.

https://www.dispatch.com/in-depth/bu...io/9183683002/

<“The state budget bill was passed, boosting the incentives Ohio can offer companies that are considered "megaprojects" like Intel’s factories.

The incentives are available to companies that invest at least $1 billion in the state or create an annual payroll of at least $75 million. In return, they get job creation tax credits for 30 years instead of the usual 15 years.

"Until that passed, we weren't in the game," Husted said.

With the change, the state upped its offer to Intel to reflect the legislation.”>


In addition to tax incentives, other selection criteria would almost certainly include regulatory environment (state and local), land availability, infrastructure/logistics, utilities/power, labor pipeline, cost of living, natural disaster risk, nearby universities, etc.

[Unicorn hunter]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

I guess there's more water in Ohio than Arizona. I don't think the lakes there are as empty as Lake Mead. Semi conductors need water.

Wondering about this....article in Sunday's Plain Dealer mentioned they would need lots of water and electricity. Will the water source be the Olentangy River? And where does the water go after they are done with it and it's somewhat contaminated? Where does all of the electricity come from? I'm all for bringing manufacturing back to Ohio, if it is done cleanly and doesn't drain resources dry and pollute. Anyone know anything about these issues?

[SlideRules99]

Generally Intel will source water from the same municipal water source(s) as the community in which it operates. The Fab will then do additional on-site water purification to clean the water to a standard suitable for wafer fabrication.

A Fab will use about 5M gallons per day, which is equivalent to a city of about 50,000 residents. However, per their stats, they clean/return about 80% of that water to the municipality for treatment and reuse. (Eventual goal is 100%).

Certainly, water supply would have been one of the first items they confirmed on the site selection checklist.

Intel purchases green power for the vast majority of their U.S. operations. I am not sure how those plans would be executed in Columbus.

This is a bit “corporate PR” flavored…but you can see details here.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...perations.html

This is a MUCH different type of manufacturing than, say, steel or autos.

[dustin183]

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Lol... really? Where have you been Dustin? do you live in an urban area?

https://www.treehugger.com/more-tree...s-true-4864115

I call BS on that. What are the # of trees back then and what is the number now? They don't clearly say. They just give some fuzzy math.

But even if you believe it then I'll provide this fact from the FAO which is far more material.

The forest area of the US is about two-thirds what it was in 1600.

[216facts]

Originally Posted by dustin183

I call BS on that. What are the # of trees back then and what is the number now? They don't clearly say. They just give some fuzzy math.

But even if you believe it then I'll provide this fact from the FAO which is far more material.

The forest area of the US is about two-thirds what it was in 1600.

Sorry to continue derailing this thread, but 100 years ago was at the low point of tree growth in America. Vast areas of trees were completely clear cut in the 1800s, plenty of pictures on google of deforestation in N. America about 100 years ago. So saying there are more trees now than 100 years ago is not saying much at all.

Dustin, thanks for your clarification.

[hikernut]

Originally Posted by SlideRules99

Big picture though. Carving up some midwestern farmland is a lesser environmental sin that what has happened in Arizona during Intel’s multiple expansions since the 90s. Thousands of acres of pristine Sonoran Desert have been consumed by developers as a function of that growth south and east of Phoenix

Most of that land here in AZ was in farms and orchards before being turned into suburbs. We live in Gilbert and there are still some fields of corn and alfalfa close to our home. Unfortunately, the southeast valley is now mostly a sea of tract housing and strip malls.

Congrats to Ohio for landing such a significant project. We need more high-value manufacturing in the U.S.