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Old 09-30-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Well, of course they don't anymore! Wages have been suppressed over decades for the lower to middle classes. I'm sure if they offered $25 an hour for lower-skilled home building jobs, there would be takers. But then the cost of the houses would rise. Or maybe home-building does take more skill and there just aren't enough workers with those skills.
I'm just tweaking the assertion that the "economy is doing well" because that's only for some.

The stats anymore are just so abused anyway. So many don't even count in the numbers, it's hard to baseline things.
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Old 10-04-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Kansas can take consolation that the economic situation is shaping up to be even worse in Oklahoma. Thanks to low oil prices, Oklahoma state tax revenues may be down by as much as $1.5 billion next year. Oil company layoffs are taking place in Oklahoma. Yet, one of the biggest things Oklahoma Republicans are looking forward to doing at the State Capitol next year are to get voters to pass a question that will modify the state constitution, so that the Ten Commandments monument can legally stand at the state capitol grounds. Oklahoma is no different from most of Kansas. Being pro God, pro Gun and anti-Gay are the issues closest to the hearts of citizens. It's not the state of the economy. Nor is it education.
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Old 10-05-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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Kansas can take consolation that the economic situation is shaping up to be even worse in Oklahoma. Thanks to low oil prices, Oklahoma state tax revenues may be down by as much as $1.5 billion next year. Oil company layoffs are taking place in Oklahoma. Yet, one of the biggest things Oklahoma Republicans are looking forward to doing at the State Capitol next year are to get voters to pass a question that will modify the state constitution, so that the Ten Commandments monument can legally stand at the state capitol grounds. Oklahoma is no different from most of Kansas. Being pro God, pro Gun and anti-Gay are the issues closest to the hearts of citizens. It's not the state of the economy. Nor is it education.
Such is the ebb and flow of the oil industry. *shrug*

Several states have been fighting a long term slide due to their industry concentration. Wisconsin paper production for example, Kansas aerospace etc etc.

The oil\gas states are the same way.
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Kansas can take consolation that the economic situation is shaping up to be even worse in Oklahoma. Thanks to low oil prices, Oklahoma state tax revenues may be down by as much as $1.5 billion next year. Oil company layoffs are taking place in Oklahoma. Yet, one of the biggest things Oklahoma Republicans are looking forward to doing at the State Capitol next year are to get voters to pass a question that will modify the state constitution, so that the Ten Commandments monument can legally stand at the state capitol grounds. Oklahoma is no different from most of Kansas. Being pro God, pro Gun and anti-Gay are the issues closest to the hearts of citizens. It's not the state of the economy. Nor is it education.
Well, as long as their priorities are straight
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Old 10-05-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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Kansas can take consolation that the economic situation is shaping up to be even worse in Oklahoma. Thanks to low oil prices, Oklahoma state tax revenues may be down by as much as $1.5 billion next year. Oil company layoffs are taking place in Oklahoma. Yet, one of the biggest things Oklahoma Republicans are looking forward to doing at the State Capitol next year are to get voters to pass a question that will modify the state constitution, so that the Ten Commandments monument can legally stand at the state capitol grounds. Oklahoma is no different from most of Kansas. Being pro God, pro Gun and anti-Gay are the issues closest to the hearts of citizens. It's not the state of the economy. Nor is it education.
I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma will follow the model of cutting education and services while raising sin taxes and the general sales tax.

This will leave the ones who received massive income tax cuts with enough money to take vacations and attend business conferences in other states and countries.

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Old 10-07-2015, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma will follow the model of cutting education and services while raising sin taxes and the general sales tax.

This will leave the ones who received massive income tax cuts with enough money to take vacations and attend business conferences in other states and countries.
If it gets enough signatures in a petition, Oklahomans will vote next year on a 1 cent addition to the state sales taxes to go to support education, including raising teacher pay by as much as $5,000.

There's more interest in Oklahoma to modernize antiquated state alcohol laws than raise tax on alcohol.

I'd be surprised if Republican legislators want to get another income tax cut through next year.
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Overland Park, Kansas
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Are there any sites that show projected job growth? I know Kansas as a whole is going to loose jobs (Topeka and Wichita were hemorrhaging them at a pretty awful even before Brownback and its just gotten worse), but with the Bio Defense Facility going up in Manhattan, and the DFA Plat and KDOT inter-modal industrial park going up in Garden City I would like to see what the predicted futures look like. Garden City had am economic outlook report made years ago that said the city should be half dead by now and they never let that happen.
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Old 10-31-2015, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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None of the plains states are doing well population or job growth wise. People keep moving out of small towns to the cities, and the oil business is down. Besides, most states are seeing a drop in employment in the last 6 months or so. Why don't these people blame who really is to blame, BH Obama and his policies.
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Old 11-01-2015, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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None of the plains states are doing well population or job growth wise. People keep moving out of small towns to the cities, and the oil business is down. Besides, most states are seeing a drop in employment in the last 6 months or so. Why don't these people blame who really is to blame, BH Obama and his policies.
Since beyond Kansas you are painting with a broad brush here, would you please specifically define by name the plains states that you are referring to?
Can you name a section of the country in which there has not been a trend of people moving from small towns to the cities?
You even broadened the scope to include all 50 states so it would be helpful for you to produce a verifiable & nonpartisan link here that supports your claim that "...most states are seeing a drop in employment in the last 6 months or so...".
Also, since you've brought President Obama into the picture, would you provide specific examples of policies that President Bush had in effect that produced job growth & provide a link that shows the cumulative job growth or loss statistics from his administration?
For a start, I'll provide the following 2 links.

Kansas Job Growth | Department of Numbers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_c...idential_terms
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Old 11-01-2015, 07:19 AM
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None of the plains states are doing well population or job growth wise. People keep moving out of small towns to the cities, and the oil business is down. Besides, most states are seeing a drop in employment in the last 6 months or so. Why don't these people blame who really is to blame, BH Obama and his policies.
Brownback knew who in was in the White House and he still believed his own policies would do what he said they would do. They didn't work and he can't blame anyone. All the economic data is in and the Brownback tax policy was a bone headed thing to do.
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