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Originally Posted by thriftylefty
I read an editorial that was written no less than a week ago in a western Kansas newspaper. The writer blamed higher food prices on problems finding labor. The inability to process food due to the lack of immigrants to do the work. If you have ever made the drive in that part of the county you know they know what they are talking about. They rely on the large custom feedlots, and beef processing plants for the local economy. One plant I passed in a small town had over three thousand cars in the parking lot. I was told they are all Mexicans. The problems at the border comes down to lower food prices or higher food prices.
They come in on visas to do those types of jobs. We don't need illegals.
They come in on visas to do those types of jobs. We don't need illegals.
I can't believe the number of people that don't know that we have unlimited H-2A visas for foreign workers to come here legally to work in the AG industry. You're right, we don't need illegals for those jobs or any other jobs.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm...0authorization. Roughly Half of Hired Crop Farmworkers Lack Legal Immigration Status
The share of hired crop farmworkers who were not legally authorized to work in the United States grew from roughly 14 percent in 1989–91 to almost 55 percent in 1999–2001; in recent years it has declined to about 40 percent. In 2018–20, 30 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 6 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 23 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 41 percent held no work authorization. The share of workers who are U.S. born is highest in the Midwest, while the share who are unauthorized is highest in California.
There is no way in hell I would support lawbreaking to save a buck nor should any other law abiding American. Illegal alien labor doesn't save us any money anyway when you consider the billions a year that they cost us. All they do is increase the profits for the greedy employers who hire them. So many people need to educate themselves on this issue.
Cheap foreign labor just serves the elite and has no positive impact on our own citizens. All it does is remove job opportunities for Americans, increases our taxes for the social needs of these "immigrants" and creates overcrowded conditions and shortages of affordable housing.
I am all for it IF you can also apply this to "outsourcing" of any kind. Let's be fair, undocumented or H1 or whatever, no foreigner should be able to take a job from an American citizen just so the company can save a buck!
The real problem is not the undocumented taking crappy jobs that no one in the right mind wanted before.
The solution wasn't to increase the minimum wage rate which was only meant for jobs normally taken by high school/college kids and retired folks.
The decline of the economy which was part inherent, part systemic, has boosted with the outsourcing of US manufacturing elsewhere that started back in the 80.
Even white collar jobs have been significantly impacted since the 90s.
According to the info shared in this thread, there were a lot more illegals/undocumented working 20 years ago where economy was much better so, is it still fair to blame the current economic situation on them?
They did a survey on this topic in California some years back, asking the local population is they thought illegals and undocumented workers were a problem and the result was:
11% Didn't want to comment
27% said it was a problem
62% said "No, no creo que sea un problema."
I am all for it IF you can also apply this to "outsourcing" of any kind. Let's be fair, undocumented or H1 or whatever, no foreigner should be able to take a job from an American citizen just so the company can save a buck!
The real problem is not the undocumented taking crappy jobs that no one in the right mind wanted before.
The solution wasn't to increase the minimum wage rate which was only meant for jobs normally taken by high school/college kids and retired folks.
The decline of the economy which was part inherent, part systemic, has boosted with the outsourcing of US manufacturing elsewhere that started back in the 80.
Even white collar jobs have been significantly impacted since the 90s.
According to the info shared in this thread, there were a lot more illegals/undocumented working 20 years ago where economy was much better so, is it still fair to blame the current economic situation on them?
They did a survey on this topic in California some years back, asking the local population is they thought illegals and undocumented workers were a problem and the result was:
11% Didn't want to comment
27% said it was a problem
62% said "No, no creo que sea un problema."
Yes, it was a joke.
No such thing as an undocumented they are illegal aliens. Is construction a crappy job? Is restaurant work a crappy job? Is landscaping a crappy job? Those and other jobs are jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage until millions of cheap illegals took them. Those are adult jobs to.
I blame them for violating our immigration laws and I also blame their employers for hiring them. There is no innocent party here.
Under Biden's watch new records for set for illegal immigration so there is no comparison to 20 years ago.
Public opinion doesn't matter on this issue only our laws do.
As for outsourcing I'm against that to but at least it keeps these foreigners in their own countries instead of coming here stealing the existing jobs from Americans, costing us billions a year, depleting our natural and social resources, creating overcrowded conditions in our schools, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods and the added crime.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm...0authorization. Roughly Half of Hired Crop Farmworkers Lack Legal Immigration Status
The share of hired crop farmworkers who were not legally authorized to work in the United States grew from roughly 14 percent in 1989–91 to almost 55 percent in 1999–2001; in recent years it has declined to about 40 percent. In 2018–20, 30 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 6 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 23 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 41 percent held no work authorization. The share of workers who are U.S. born is highest in the Midwest, while the share who are unauthorized is highest in California.
If illegals were blocked from coming in, then those places would have to use visa workers.
As far as citizens working other types of jobs, it's been shown that when remain in MX was a thing many businesses had to hired citizen workers. And the reason why the citizen workers took those jobs, other than the businesses no longer had as huge of a pool of illegals to draw from, is because the businesses had to increase pay which had been cut due to cheap illegal workers.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm...0authorization. Roughly Half of Hired Crop Farmworkers Lack Legal Immigration Status
The share of hired crop farmworkers who were not legally authorized to work in the United States grew from roughly 14 percent in 1989–91 to almost 55 percent in 1999–2001; in recent years it has declined to about 40 percent. In 2018–20, 30 percent of crop farmworkers were U.S. born, 6 percent were immigrants who had obtained U.S. citizenship, 23 percent were other authorized immigrants (primarily permanent residents or green-card holders), and the remaining 41 percent held no work authorization. The share of workers who are U.S. born is highest in the Midwest, while the share who are unauthorized is highest in California.
Um, perhaps you'd better off showing us figures that aren't 20+ years old.
There is absolutely no reason for farmers to hire illegal aliens when there are the unlimited visas for legal workers and they and their illegal workers need to be held accountable. End of story!
Um, perhaps you'd better off showing us figures that aren't 20+ years old.
The first article is from 2019-2020 National Agricultural Workers Survey 2019-2020
Selected Statistics
The purpose was to show how little has change in 20 years,
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