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Old 04-09-2024, 10:03 AM
 
Location: on the wind
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Cancer... maybe, maybe not. SOME cancers might be the result of unhealthy lifestyle choices, but many are not, or at least they aren't/ weren't consciously unhealthy choices. My ex has a form of cancer from years of breathing noxious paint fumes, before it was widely know how damaging those fumes were.
This. People like to forget that cancers do pop up in "healthy" people. Some lethal mutation was lurking in their DNA waiting to express itself. Some don't even have that genetic component. For some cancers, the majority of newly diagnosed patients didn't have any higher hereditary risk than anyone else. Somewhere some switch got flipped and voila, a malignant process began. Their lifestyle had little to nothing to do with it.
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Old 04-09-2024, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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This. People like to forget that cancers do pop up in "healthy" people. ..
Yes they do.

A google search shows a few sources stating that preventable cancer cases constitute approximately 30-50%, so there are still a significant number considered to be diet/lifestyle related.

Of course, pain isn't always associated with cancers even if death is the result.
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Old 04-09-2024, 02:27 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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This (though obviously if you're writing this post you didn't die from your cancer and can't say with any certainty how painful that was ). Hopefully you never find out!
Good point, and thanks!
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Old 04-09-2024, 06:05 PM
 
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This. People like to forget that cancers do pop up in "healthy" people. Some lethal mutation was lurking in their DNA waiting to express itself. Some don't even have that genetic component. For some cancers, the majority of newly diagnosed patients didn't have any higher hereditary risk than anyone else. Somewhere some switch got flipped and voila, a malignant process began. Their lifestyle had little to nothing to do with it.
This happened to a cousin of mine. She fought it for years until it reached her brain
I only know of two relatives that had cancer and both did not live a healthy lifestyle before getting the cancer. I swear they never so much as ate broccoli before getting diagnosed.

I have cousins that were thin as children and in early teens then all of a sudden they went to extreme weight gain without even having any children or changing their diet. My youngest cousin was so afraid it would happen to her she was extremely careful not to gain weight but then it happened right around the same age. It is very strange to me but that is what happened to them. Both of their parents were very overweight too, actually obese, so I can't help but think it is sometimes hereditary.
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Old 04-09-2024, 06:56 PM
 
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I wish that was true as I live a pretty healthy lifestyle, but like others have said it def doesnt guarantee a painless death.
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Old 04-09-2024, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Washington County, ME
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No.

But if you are in pain while dying, you should not be.

Liquid morphine is offered now - if you are in hospice care, at least.

You should not feel pain once you are taking that. Nowadays there is no reason to die suffering in pain. You may at first - for a bit - but ask for medication.

(You can live as healthy as you can, be as thin as you want to be - and you will never be able to prevent every disease. And not just talking about cancers, there are many other painful diseases you can die from. My dad had rheumatoid arthritis for many, many years of his life, talk about suffering - and he was never fat a day in his life, athletic, a sailing champion... It allowed him to develop lung disease which eventually killed him... no, he didn't smoke.)

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Old 04-09-2024, 08:47 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Poor people are likely to die more painful deaths.
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Old 04-10-2024, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Kocaeli, Turkey
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Poor people are likely to die more painful deaths.
Why?
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Old 04-10-2024, 09:41 AM
 
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[quote=Jellybean50;66626737]No.

"You should not feel pain once you are taking that. Nowadays there is no reason to die suffering in pain. You may at first - for a bit - but ask for medication."

It's a myth that all pain is treatable. There is cancer pain (and other types) that morphine won't touch. This is why there is a movement to allow assisted death. Also with the legal system being what it is, doctors are often afraid to give too much morphine, so people are left in severe pain for however long it takes for them to die.
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Old 04-10-2024, 09:45 AM
 
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Why?
Because our society blames and has contempt for poor people. Their requests for pain relief aren't taken seriously and there is an element of wanting to punish them. There are lots of studies on this. It's pretty frightening.
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