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Old 04-18-2023, 03:52 PM
 
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"Most"? How do you know?
If they are still pushing colonoscopies on everyone simply because of age, then they are not aware of this research, which is the ONLY research on whether colonoscopies have benefit.

It was assumed they have great benefit, although there was no scientific evidence. Now there is research showing hardly any benefit.

Get non-invasive tests if you are worried about colon cancer.
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Old 04-18-2023, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yes it does show what I think it does. NO effect on all cause mortality. But you have no understanding of what that means.
In the group of people who actually had colonoscopy the mortality from colon cancer was reduced by about half.

In this study from Korea, all cause mortality was less in the colonoscopy group.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10101790/

"Colonoscopic screening was associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality in both young and older individuals. Multivariable-adjusted time-dependent hazard ratios (95% confidence intervals) for all-cause mortality comparing ever-to never-screening were 0.86 (0.75–0.99) for young individuals and 0.71 (0.65–0.78) for older individuals."
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Old 04-18-2023, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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If they are still pushing colonoscopies on everyone simply because of age, then they are not aware of this research, which is the ONLY research on whether colonoscopies have benefit.

It was assumed they have great benefit, although there was no scientific evidence. Now there is research showing hardly any benefit.

Get non-invasive tests if you are worried about colon cancer.
It is not the only research on the benefit of colonoscopy.

What happens if your "noninvasive" test is positive?
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Old 04-18-2023, 08:15 PM
 
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It is not the only research on the benefit of colonoscopy.

What happens if your "noninvasive" test is positive?
Good point! I've had several colonoscopies and had polyps removed nearly every time. Last year, I was debating whether to have another colonoscopy, so I had the noninvasive test done at home and sent it off. Guess what. Yep, it came back positive which resulted in my getting yet another colonoscopy. One small polyp was removed.

Clearly, the non-invasive test is not the answer/solution to avoiding colonoscopies. In fact, they're likely to INCREASE the chances of a person getting a colonoscopy because they often come back with an "inconclusive" result and you can guess where that leads. Yep, yet another colonoscopy to find out conclusively whether you need it or not.
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Old 04-18-2023, 09:22 PM
 
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Good point! I've had several colonoscopies and had polyps removed nearly every time. Last year, I was debating whether to have another colonoscopy, so I had the noninvasive test done at home and sent it off. Guess what. Yep, it came back positive which resulted in my getting yet another colonoscopy. One small polyp was removed.

Clearly, the non-invasive test is not the answer/solution to avoiding colonoscopies. In fact, they're likely to INCREASE the chances of a person getting a colonoscopy because they often come back with an "inconclusive" result and you can guess where that leads. Yep, yet another colonoscopy to find out conclusively whether you need it or not.
Most of the time, for most people, the non-invasive test will be negative. If it is positive you can go on and get a colonoscopy. Not so difficult to understand this.
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Old 04-18-2023, 09:23 PM
 
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It is not the only research on the benefit of colonoscopy.

What happens if your "noninvasive" test is positive?
What happens?? Then you can get a colonoscopy. I said don't get the invasive test first. There is no reason to.
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Old 04-18-2023, 09:24 PM
 
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It is not the only research on the benefit of colonoscopy.
Yes it is. They were recommending colonoscopy for years before there was any research on their effectiveness.
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Old 04-18-2023, 09:58 PM
 
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Yes it is. They were recommending colonoscopy for years before there was any research on their effectiveness.
Not true.

There has been a large body of research on screening colonoscopy.

From 2002, with 92 references.
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Old 04-19-2023, 03:43 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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What happens?? Then you can get a colonoscopy. I said don't get the invasive test first. There is no reason to.
The FOBT have rates of false negatives and false positives making them pretty close to useless. Logic says to just get the routine colonoscopy on a regular schedule-- If you find poylps (50% of cases), they can be removed. If the polyps prove to be benign, the procedure served a preventative function. If they were cancerous, it's curative, avoiding the possibility of incurable mets or obstruction requiring major surgery, possibly "ostomy bags" later on.

Pretty dumb not to get the colonoscopy just because you're afraid of a few hours of diarrhea from the prep.
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Old 04-19-2023, 11:55 AM
 
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Not true.

There has been a large body of research on screening colonoscopy.

From 2002, with 92 references.
And yet you can't post a single link.
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