COVID as we go into the fall and winter

[Deserterer]

Originally Posted by bale002

Human beings are human beings first and foremost, political animals.

"Scientist", and the like, is something that people do for a living, political animals first and foremost.

So what? Monkeys and bees are "political animals" but they can't do science. Are you suggesting that people can't either?

[Medical Lab Guy]

Originally Posted by L00k4ward

Remember, not that long ago “medical professionals” used lead, mercury, cocaine, arsenic and lobotomy as medical treatments!
And they advertised cigarettes and encouraged the use of margarine as healthy!

Originally Posted by SimplySagacious

Yes, that was the consensus and a good example of why consensus in science is irrelevant. The greatest scientists are great because they broke with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics, not science. Very relevant today.

Originally Posted by Deserterer

Doctors aren't necessarily scientists.

Originally Posted by SimplySagacious

Gravity and evolution were discovered by scientists who broke from consensus. As I said, the greatest scientists are great because they broke from consensus. An ancient Greek mathematician proved the earth is round.

The original reference and context was to seek medical professionals for medical opinions. We need to get back to that. If 9 out of 10 doctors agree with a diagnosis and one doctor has a weird diagnosis you go along with the consensus if you are smart. One isn't trying to be original or innovative with a diagnosis. Originality is not what one is trying to achieve.

I also find it disingenuous in not accepting the originality of the person who invented the mRNA vaccine which was the first and innovative. By your definition the creator of the mRNA is a great scientist. They broke away from the past in the way it was produced. You do not accept the vaccine because it broke away from the consensus view on how to make vaccines. Now you are telling me and extolling that consensus in science is irrelevant. The producer of the mRNA is a great scientist and should get the Nobel Prize because of the innovation and the acceptance (consensus) in its use.

The practice of medicine changed from experienced based to evidence based. It is based on a consensus on how to practice medicine and provide a standard of care. Experienced based medicine with authoritative based practices are being eliminated. It's not based on who you are but on what you can prove. The way you prove anything is by showing consistency in clinical trials in order to build a consensus that something works. After many trials a meta-analysis provides a consensus view on how well something works.

[lepoisson]

There isn't much we can do at this point other than people getting vaccinated. I am totally against any type of vaccine passport.

[1insider]

Originally Posted by lepoisson

There isn't much we can do at this point other than people getting vaccinated. I am totally against any type of vaccine passport.

Wondering after reading your first sentence why you feel the way you do in the second sentence. Is it more about freedom and not the greater good?