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Vaccinated gives you a high percentage chance of not getting covid-19, but there is still a small chance you could get it. You also can still be a carrier/spreader to others.
Unvaccinated you're just playing Russian Roulette and have a high chance of making a mortician happy/richer.
They can. If you read media outside of the USA there have been many stories of people dying when being fully vaccinated. There was a study months ago in the UK that said the most deaths were the vaccinated.
There seems to be a recent push in weeks to push that message but still the vast majority of deaths are unvaccinated people -- over 70. This makes me wonder if unvaccinated over 70 means that they couldn't get the vaccination for reasons of illness and so this particular stat is misleading.
If it were me I could be careful until we see the vaccine being tested with lot of cases.
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Unvaccinated you're just playing Russian Roulette and have a high chance of making a mortician happy/richer.
What? Laughable. The death rate from corona remains at 2% of infections with the vast majority of that 78% being people over 60.
I will judge who I want to. But what I am saying is that as we go into the fall and winter there is zero guarantee that the vaccines will be effective.
There is no proof that the reduction in cases and deaths is because of the vaccine (and not the weather / time of year) and the next few weeks will really tell the tale.
Right now cases have gone from 10K a day in the USA to 40K and, if deaths go up as well, it will be obvious that the vaccines aren't that good.
You would be arrogant to be skipping around at the moment sure that your vaccine will keep you safe when you simply don't know and, you simply don't know if another booster will be safe.
You know what - you're right - you can be as judgmental as you want to be.
Death rates are not going up - they're going down (thank goodness) and there are never any guarantees with any vaccine. However, what there IS is compelling evidence that these particular vaccines significantly decrease the odds of getting seriously ill - and that's fine by me.
Like I said though, you do you.
And I'm not "skipping around sure that my vaccine will keep me safe" by the way. But if you like imagining things, have at it.
They can. If you read media outside of the USA there have been many stories of people dying when being fully vaccinated. There was a study months ago in the UK that said the most deaths were the vaccinated.
They can. If you read media outside of the USA there have been many stories of people dying when being fully vaccinated. There was a study months ago in the UK that said the most deaths were the vaccinated.
There seems to be a recent push in weeks to push that message but still the vast majority of deaths are unvaccinated people -- over 70. This makes me wonder if unvaccinated over 70 means that they couldn't get the vaccination for reasons of illness and so this particular stat is misleading.
If it were me I could be careful until we see the vaccine being tested with lot of cases.
What? Laughable. The death rate from corona remains at 2% of infections with the vast majority of that 78% being people over 60.
More than 3.57 BILLION doses given so far. How many more doses do we need to see?
Your link cites the same AP analysis I linked to. The AP analyzed available government data for the month of May only. An average of 5 fully vaccinated people died per day that month according to the data the CDC told the AP was incomplete and likely understated.
I have no reason to doubt that the majority of deaths are unvaccinated but you said 'virtually everyone' which was misinformation. You made that up.
The most surprising to me was to learn that NO ONE is actually tracking vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths. Even the CDC admitted that.
Each study group included 596,618 persons. Estimated vaccine effectiveness for the study outcomes at days 14 through 20 after the first dose and at 7 or more days after the second dose was as follows: for documented infection, 46% (95% confidence interval [CI], 40 to 51) and 92% (95% CI, 88 to 95); for symptomatic Covid-19, 57% (95% CI, 50 to 63) and 94% (95% CI, 87 to 98); for hospitalization, 74% (95% CI, 56 to 86) and 87% (95% CI, 55 to 100); and for severe disease, 62% (95% CI, 39 to 80) and 92% (95% CI, 75 to 100), respectively. Estimated effectiveness in preventing death from Covid-19 was 72% (95% CI, 19 to 100) for days 14 through 20 after the first dose. Estimated effectiveness in specific subpopulations assessed for documented infection and symptomatic Covid-19 was consistent across age groups, with potentially slightly lower effectiveness in persons with multiple coexisting conditions. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765
Please, pay attention to SHORT TERM after vaccination. Study is not for long period and, to be honest, results are rather not stellar, with reasonably low efficiency. And short term. Hence, boosters. Question is, how much vaccine can one, actually take? Without following long term adverse results? Does ANYONE have a LONG TERM research done on that? No. Does ANYONE know, what the results will be? No. As in - know, not guess or assume. This is why new vaccines take around five years for approval.
TEL AVIV—About half of adults infected in an outbreak of the Delta variant of Covid-19 in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer Inc. vaccine, prompting the government to reimpose an indoor mask requirement and other measures to contain the highly transmissible strain. https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccina...ak-11624624326
Israel is example because they had about the highest vaccination rate in the world. Yes, it is a new strain but, there are already : eta, iota, kappa and lambda strains assigned. They are called VOI, or variants of interest for SARS 2. Easy Google search. So how much vaccination will human body take, each time having immune system influenced, before it goes into immunodeficiency response? Anyone has research on that?
If no is is tracking vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths, how do we know that an average of 5 vaccinate people died per day in May?
Also, I haven't read the link but what specifically did they die from?
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