Many say they won't dine out or travel even after second COVID dose. (doctor, recover)
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This kind of reaction is based on mis-directed priorities.
The MAIN reason we are all suffering (money/masks/whatever) is NOT because you might get sick and die (although you might) but that our health care system was (and in some cases, still is) in danger of being over-run. Just doing the math, we simply didn't have enough beds for everyone IF the entire country got sick on the same day. I'm exaggerating slightly - it would only take about TEN PERCENT of the country to have COVID simultaneously to fill every - single - hospital bed. (That's 1% of 30 million, equals 300K COVID people needing serious help, and that's about all the EMPTY beds we have. So you see - quite easily - there was a real danger here.
While you - personally - may not want to catch COVID - I mean, who wants COVID? Who wants the flu? Who wants pneumonia or salmonella or Dengue Fever? No one. But you don't limit your travel, etc., because of those other things, do you? Why not? Pneumonia is more serious all around than COVID.
This was never mainly about a single person - YOU - getting sick. Nope. That's the cost of living life, here, there, anywhere. You risk death and illness every minute of every day - and you always have.
So - if you plan to avoid dining out or traveling or whatever because you just want to do your very, very best to make sure no farther spread (to other people) happens - then that is a noble goal.
If you are doing it to avoid getting sick - that's almost pointless. Not completely. But almost.
Italy is possibly having another wave and more lockdowns.
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In other words, he thinks it may get bad here again, and Italy is the early warning sign of what’s going to happen here.
Which I fully expect as well since vaccines put the virus under strain, which could cause mutations...that might actually end up being worse.
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Originally Posted by oceangaia
You think the virus has sentient intelligence and knows that a human has protection from vaccination as opposed to natural immunity? Or that it "knows" it has been breathed in by a human as opposed to a pig? By that reasoning, wouldn't chicken pox and measles have mutated to be devastating the adult population by now?
Well, ThatsRight is not the only one who has some reservations about mass vaccinations during a pandemic.
FYIIW, MrsM and I are part of the 25-30% who will wait a few months longer
I'm a Pharmacist and many of my friends are virologists, epidemiologists and public health specialists. We are all waiting to see what the next few months bring as more and more people are vaccinated.
Several of them, who have worked with several Presidential administrations going back to Aids, Ebola, SARS, MERS and now COVID, along with other viral diseases, think that Italy is the canary in the coal mine
So, we'll wait and see, even if it's at the risk of economic recovery
I feel the same and I’ve gone out to work the entire time.
I’ve realized that there are quite a few things that I simply don’t miss spending money on, dining out being one of them.
I would love to travel again, but likely won’t until late summer/early autumn as I fully expect that there will be a spike in late spring/summer as more people venture out and about.
One I'm two weeks past the second shot, I plan to go out and get as much done as possible--eating out, shopping, traveling, dental work--before the next big thing locks us down again.
We've been eating better than ever before since lockdown; I've been trying lots of new recipes. I made gyros and pita bread yesterday, and am looking forward to leftovers today.
We eat out about 2-3 times a week with friends. My wife and I never stopped. Soon as restaurants were available we have gone out months and months ago. People are all ready going to restaurants judging by the common 1 hr waits on weekends for a table.
We will likely continue to do takeout - actually prefer that over in person dining. The vaccine will mainly change our outlook on shopping and travel - will feel more comfortable going out.
We've been taking out once or twice a week. It's good, but we miss the ambiance of in-person dining. But, we will wait a while and see how things go
I've seen them...driving alone in their cars wearing a mask.
There are some of us who understand how to properly use a mask. That means put it on and touch it as little as possible. You will see me alone in my car wearing a mask because I put it on when I start doing errands and take it off when I finish, rather than putting it on and removing it for every stop.
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Originally Posted by Nik4me
Well, ThatsRight is not the only one who has some reservations about mass vaccinations during a pandemic.
The gist:
- during a pandemic we should be sciencing and studying why some people do not notice being infected and some die.
- it became too political and the governments under the pressure to show some “actions” - has nothing to do with the science of curbing this pandemic
- all the predictions of flattening, seasonal curves, waves, etc.- all useless as the science still does not know what is going on
-we need treatments and studies
-the vaccines we are using are excellent but
- vaccination is a preventative when the virus pressure is low
- mass vaccinations during a pandemic will condition the virus to mutate - leading to an immune “escape” with an unknown consequences
The scientist is a vaccines developer
Vanden Bossche is wrong. Easy to understand rebuttal here:
"Take-home message:
- Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is a veterinarian who recently released an open letter boldly claiming that the COVID-19 vaccines will be harmful to humanity by allowing the virus to mutate in dangerous ways
- If we are worried about dangerous variants emerging, it is much more riskier to allow the virus to spread between unvaccinated people
- If coronavirus variants emerge for which the current vaccines offer little to no protection, the vaccines can be reformulated to be a better fit, much like the annual flu vaccine
- Dr. Bossche proposes the use of a new type of vaccine based on natural killer cells, which he claims he is working on but for which there is no published evidence"
You think the virus has sentient intelligence and knows that a human has protection from vaccination as opposed to natural immunity? Or that it "knows" it has been breathed in by a human as opposed to a pig? By that reasoning, wouldn't chicken pox and measles have mutated to be devastating the adult population by now?
a. Any of various submicroscopic agents that infect living organisms, often causing disease, and that consist of a single or double strand of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein coat. Unable to replicate without a host cell, viruses are typically not considered living organisms.
COVID mutates easily, chicken-pox and measles don't
COVID mutates easily, chicken-pox and measles don't
When you get infected your body develops anti-bodies. When you get vaccinated it teaches your body to develop anti-bodies. Getting vaccinated puts no more "pressure" on the virus than someone getting infected and recovering. Sure, the virus mutates but that will happen whether no one or everyone gets vaccinated. If it mutates faster than we can develop vaccines then that is just something the human race is going to have to live with.
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