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Old 02-15-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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I had some mild fatigue after the first shot (Pfizer). After the second shot, had more fatigue and a backache, but no chills or fever. All gone in 24 hours. Side effects were less than feared though.

 
Old 02-15-2021, 04:14 PM
 
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I had Covid and support the use of these vaccines.

However, I read a lot of articles recently about the elderly people in Europe who had recently recovered from Covid and then died right after receiving their vaccinations. Experts are investigating just how safe these vaccines are for people who recently recovered. And they are now saying that perhaps one shot is enough for those who already had the virus.

As a result I am looking at the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for myself. But when I share my opinions about this I am immediately shot down as being "anti-vaxx". I am not, but I think it's wise to consider alternatives to everyone getting two shots as soon as they can.
 
Old 02-15-2021, 05:29 PM
 
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UK report on vaccine side effects
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carliep...h=58b8ba3939ef

https://strangesounds.org/2021/02/uk...e-effects.html

https://principia-scientific.com/uk-...-side-effects/
 
Old 02-15-2021, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I have been reading that people who have already had covid have more side effects from the vaccine than people who never had covid. I had the Pfizer vaccine a couple of weeks ago and only had some minor side effects. But I highly suspect I had covid early in the pandemic from trips to Boston where there are Wuhan students at the music conservatory. I'm also reading that the second vaccine dose gives more side effects. In another week I should get the second dose.

Second COVID Shot Packs the Big Punch
— First dose also worse for those with previous COVID, but "small price to pay" for protection

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/91157
Dad (90) had severe side effects. We almost lost him.

The four treating physicians during this month-long ordeal agreed that Dad likely had an undetected UTI that rapidly worsened due to an immune response from the vaccine.

Almost a month later, Dad has nearly recovered. He would tell anyone, particularly the elderly, to have a full medical examination before taking the vaccine to ensure there are no underlying conditions.

Dad has chosen not to receive the second dose (Pfizer).
 
Old 02-15-2021, 08:48 PM
 
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Dad (90) had severe side effects. We almost lost him.

The four treating physicians during this month-long ordeal agreed that Dad likely had an undetected UTI that rapidly worsened due to an immune response from the vaccine.

Almost a month later, Dad has nearly recovered. He would tell anyone, particularly the elderly, to have a full medical examination before taking the vaccine to ensure there are no underlying conditions.

Dad has chosen not to receive the second dose (Pfizer).



And if he talked to my aunt of similar age, who got covid before she could get the vaccine and is still fighting its effects after a month, with lung scarring and just being rushed to the ER from internal bleeding exacerbated by the blood thinners they give you to prevent covid thrombosis, he just might choose to get the 2nd dose. But he should take his own advice and get a medical first. Its not the vaccine's fault if he had an undetected UTI.
 
Old 02-15-2021, 08:49 PM
 
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Sounds pretty safe. Most 'side effects' were sore arms, only 1 in 5 had anything more serious and that was transient.
 
Old 02-15-2021, 08:54 PM
 
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My husband and I received our first dose last Friday. We were happy that we had nothing more than the sore arm that was injected. When we received our Shingrex vaccine, he was sick for several days (achies, chills, fever, bad headache) while I had no effects except sore arm and a bit of fatigue.
 
Old 02-16-2021, 04:13 AM
 
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I got it yesterday. My joints are achy and my arm feels like it's going to fall off.
 
Old 02-16-2021, 05:37 AM
 
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I'm upset. A coworker's elderly mother died after getting the vaccine less than two weeks ago. She was in a nursing home and he was relieved she got it and I just quietly had my doubts if it was a good move. He wants to get the vaccine and I just told him he had Covid already( which he refuses to believe even though we all had it at work, he thought if you got it you got really ill) so he's in all likelihood immune to it.
I won't get the vaccine. He said I should because my mother is the same age as his. No. My mother won't get it and I'm relieved. She had Covid already.
I think this will be the next round to kill off the elderly and chronically ill. If the virus doesn't get you, the vaccine will.
Get your vitamins. Vitamin C. Vitamin D. Take zinc if you think you're getting sick. And there's other treatments like Hydrochloroquine which now they admit is effective.
 
Old 02-16-2021, 08:04 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Not sure these side effects are considered adverse or worthy of reporting...all the literature warns of them..

Guillian Barre.yes is reportable, can result in paralysis......I just read up on it, said it actually is an autoimmune reaction....not sure always why...one outcome like that, I would never get a vaccine again.

Hubby finally recovered from Moderna dose 2... miserable weekend tho..
Now he goes for shoulder surgery tomorrow...that is never fun post op....I will treat the pain..lucky to have a nurse wife, huh?

My opinion only...not giving medical advice!
I would wait until after his surgery to report it in case there is a downturn/other symptoms emerge but I would definitely report it. His trajectory could be important for determining what happened for the people for whom the shot was fatal.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Jasper View Post
Dad (90) had severe side effects. We almost lost him.

The four treating physicians during this month-long ordeal agreed that Dad likely had an undetected UTI that rapidly worsened due to an immune response from the vaccine.

Almost a month later, Dad has nearly recovered. He would tell anyone, particularly the elderly, to have a full medical examination before taking the vaccine to ensure there are no underlying conditions.

Dad has chosen not to receive the second dose (Pfizer).
Please report that to VAERS. Undetected UTIs run rampant in the elderly. If it was predisposing to a near fatal adverse event they need to know that so they can recommend a simple UA prior to immunization for the elderly.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/

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And if he talked to my aunt of similar age, who got covid before she could get the vaccine and is still fighting its effects after a month, with lung scarring and just being rushed to the ER from internal bleeding exacerbated by the blood thinners they give you to prevent covid thrombosis, he just might choose to get the 2nd dose. But he should take his own advice and get a medical first. Its not the vaccine's fault if he had an undetected UTI.
If the UTI contributed to a serious adverse event, shouldn't we take precautions so that doesn't happen to someone else? Randomly catching covid, especially if one has had the flu vaccine, might result in severe symptoms. It's another thing to just offer yourself up to land in the ICU by accepting a vaccine that was supposed to prevent that from happening.

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I'm upset. A coworker's elderly mother died after getting the vaccine less than two weeks ago. She was in a nursing home and he was relieved she got it and I just quietly had my doubts if it was a good move. He wants to get the vaccine and I just told him he had Covid already( which he refuses to believe even though we all had it at work, he thought if you got it you got really ill) so he's in all likelihood immune to it.
I won't get the vaccine. He said I should because my mother is the same age as his. No. My mother won't get it and I'm relieved. She had Covid already.
I think this will be the next round to kill off the elderly and chronically ill. If the virus doesn't get you, the vaccine will.
Get your vitamins. Vitamin C. Vitamin D. Take zinc if you think you're getting sick. And there's other treatments like Hydrochloroquine which now they admit is effective.
I hope her death was reported to VAERS. https://vaers.hhs.gov/

People who have had covid should be screened for the presence of antibodies BEFORE getting the vaccine

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Most pertinently, when viral antigens are present in the vascular endothelium or other layers of the blood vessel, and especially in elderly and frail with cardiovascular disease, the antigen specific immune response incited by the vaccine is almost certain to do damage to the vascular endothelium. Such vaccine directed endothelial damage is certain to cause blood clot formation with the potential for major thromboembolic complications, at least in a subset of such patients. If a majority of younger more robust patients might tolerate such vascular injury from a vaccine immune response, many elderly and frail patients with cardiovascular disease almost certainly will not.
https://noorchashm.medium.com/a-lett...e-7d17d037982d
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