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Old 11-24-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Oh, stop it with your preconceived view of what we elderly do. Not all of us are cowering in our homes 24/7 in fear of catching the virus and dying. When you reach a certain age, you better make your peace with dying sooner rather later. COVID is not the only thing that can kill you. Live life for today, not next year, month. There may not even be a tomorrow.
Exactly! I have friends and family who have passed away during this mess and not one from COVID. Suicides have increased dramatically. Alcohol sales have skyrocketed. They're not buying those bottles for decorations! The chance of dying from a cancer is higher than dying from COVID. My dad has several heart conditions - most are genetic. He's not worried COVID and neither are his doctors. He's far more likely to die from his heart issues than COVID and he's 68 years old.
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Old 11-24-2020, 01:29 PM
 
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Oh, stop it with your preconceived view of what we elderly do. Not all of us are cowering in our homes 24/7 in fear of catching the virus and dying. When you reach a certain age, you better make your peace with dying sooner rather later. COVID is not the only thing that can kill you. Live life for today, not next year, month. There may not even be a tomorrow.
Some seniors do, some don't. The point is that the people who talk about "balance" are forgetting that it isn't just about balancing COVID risk vs. FOMO , it is also about balancing low-risk people's precautions vs. high-risk people's precautions. It isn't very kind to the high risk group for the low-risk group to let their FOMO cause them to drop basic precautions in the name of "balance" and go to packed, maskless indoor gatherings - and thus keep community transmission so high that the high risk group has only two horns of a terrible dilemma - put yourself in grave danger, or hunker down and put your life on hold!
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Old 11-24-2020, 02:47 PM
 
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They're non-profit government-funded and their board is comprised of members from insurance companies and other organizations. The FDA does the drug approvals and guidance. You have them confused. The deniers are constantly repeating the same lines regardless of the facts. It harkens back to the old Reagan/Trump line that lies repeated often enough will be accepted as true.
Whether CDC or FDA, Remdesivir was fast tracked being an expensive money winning pharmaceutical($3000) that had to have it results manipulated for a favorable outcome.

A cheap drug like Ivermectin, still waiting approval.

There are claims that many nutrients(hespiridin, honeysuckle) are anti-viral, like the recent Lancet preprint claiming quercetin/bromelain/vit C success. Its a small study, more suggestive imo, but why hasnt there been more of that?

Right from the get go, your alt med doctors were nebulizing patients with H202 and having success, one treating over a 100 patients with no deaths. He wrote a paper to be peer reviewed about it but was shut down. They are still trying to get a trial for it, now 11 months in.
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Old 11-24-2020, 06:47 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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The issue I have with the "balance" argument is that most of its proponents seem to be OK with accepting a level of community transmission that is still so high that high risk people are basically denied the right to leave their homes. It's awfully convenient to advocate this when you personally are a low risk individual. But a pandemic is not the time to think only about yourself. Seniors and immunocompromised people are people too and for them, a "balance" involving the rest of the population going to hedonistic parties while they can't even go clothes shopping.....is no balance at all, rather it is an oppression comparable in scope and severity to indentured servitude.
Well, I'm a senior and don't go to hedonistic parties, never have, really. While I admit such parties are out of my league these days, I certainly don't begrudge others who enjoy such parties and social gatherings to have at it, and to have a great time.

I'm also of the opinion that it's just wrong to keep everyone locked down, businesses shuttered, and even holiday celebrations with family severely curtailed. The devastating effect of these lockdowns and infringement on the basic freedoms of our populace is much worse, IMO, than the affects of the virus itself, considering that for the overwhelming majority, contracting the virus means only a mild self limited course at worst.

And as a senior, I believe that it's a shame to keep everyone locked down to protect a minority of people at high risk for complications of the covid in the name of some bizarre concept of "balance", or more PC, "equity". If I were in that high risk category, IMO it would be my responsibility, not someone else's, to do what I needed to protect myself from exposure to the
virus, staying home or whatever it took.
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Old 11-24-2020, 07:04 PM
 
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Whether CDC or FDA, Remdesivir was fast tracked being an expensive money winning pharmaceutical($3000) that had to have it results manipulated for a favorable outcome.

A cheap drug like Ivermectin, still waiting approval.

junk...
No antiviral drug has proven to defeat Covid. So far, they do no better than no treatment at all since the patient usually has mild symptoms and has or won't develop pneumonia. They typically require combination with antibiotics to reduce the load on the immune system and a corticosteroid to prevent the cytokine storms and lung inflammation.

Remdesivir has been shown to shorten mean hospitalization time by 5 days which is why it's commonly used. That alone will reduce the load on the hospital systems and save lives by making ICU beds available.

Ivermectin is used to treat worm infestation in dogs. It's not infective. It's dangerous to use medicines with recommended dosage and warnings for animals. It is another repurposed drug like hydroxychloroquine based on bad data.

ivermectin

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Old 11-24-2020, 09:24 PM
 
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Remdesivir has been shown to shorten mean hospitalization time by 5 days which is why it's commonly used. That alone will reduce the load on the hospital systems and save lives by making ICU beds available.
I hope you are right and they are getting their money's worth. WebMD - NOV 20 reporting ineffective

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Ivermectin is used to treat worm infestation in dogs. It's not infective. It's dangerous to use medicines with recommended dosage and warnings for animals. It is another repurposed drug like hydroxychloroquine based on bad data.

ivermectin
Your Ivermectin link was back in May. Its been gaining steam for a while now, all the articles here are recent.
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:40 PM
 
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Well, I'm a senior and don't go to hedonistic parties, never have, really. While I admit such parties are out of my league these days, I certainly don't begrudge others who enjoy such parties and social gatherings to have at it, and to have a great time.

I'm also of the opinion that it's just wrong to keep everyone locked down, businesses shuttered, and even holiday celebrations with family severely curtailed. The devastating effect of these lockdowns and infringement on the basic freedoms of our populace is much worse, IMO, than the affects of the virus itself, considering that for the overwhelming majority, contracting the virus means only a mild self limited course at worst.

And as a senior, I believe that it's a shame to keep everyone locked down to protect a minority of people at high risk for complications of the covid in the name of some bizarre concept of "balance", or more PC, "equity". If I were in that high risk category, IMO it would be my responsibility, not someone else's, to do what I needed to protect myself from exposure to the
virus, staying home or whatever it took.

So you think its OK that hospitals are overwhelmed with patients already, and that it continues getting worse, and that they should just bring even more portable morgues in and exhausted health care workers should work even longer hours and more shifts and get more traumatized as they watch more people get seriously ill and die and that more motels be coopted for hospitals for lack of hospital space just so a minority of people who are less at risk and less careful but all butt-hurt can be even less responsible. That IS what you are saying.

Its tough for everyone, high risk or not, and being selfish and people getting all huffy about infringement of "freedoms" (to contract and transmit disease) isn't going to make this go any quicker. Quite the opposite.

I also reject your implication that people at higher risk aren't already being more responsible taking more precautions than most (except some ideology-blinded Trump supporters perhaps). Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they aren't doing so already? I didn't think so. Of course they are.
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Old 11-26-2020, 03:22 PM
 
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I've seen hospital directors on TV begging people to pay attention, that its not a hoax, and that their staff are extremely overworked and exhausted with no end in sight. They're talking to people like you, Mr/Ms Media Fear Porn.

What it tells everyone is your political affiliation..
I am a hard righty for whatever difference that makes

My kids high school shut down for 2 weeks with several cases, then resumed as normal. Middle school and preschool carried on without stoppage - and the middle school is attached to high school no less. No over reaction(close down the entire school system) just the area hit.

We have had 5 cases at work, none went to the hospital, all have recovered and back at work. 4 of the 5 were 50+.

We have drinking limits for 18-21 because we know that group kills itself off drinking. I would just like to see the same thing here, restrictions on high risk if hospitals are in dire straights.

As it is, we have a few restaurants remaining open illegally. They have nothing to lose, stay open or close permanently. Several have already closed, and it was absolutely unnecessary. Crazy we have let this thing destroy so many jobs and places of business.
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