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Combining Raleigh and Durham MSAs is... a choice..Raleigh itself is 53,927
If we're gonna Combine Raleigh and Durham than San Jose and San Fran need to be combined. And Boston and Worcester (I won't even include Providence).
Adding San Jose to San Fran pushes it from 70,633 to ~83,5000. Adding Worcester to Boston pushes it from 75,059 to ~86,000. Worcester MA is 10,821 (37.38%)
Providence while is more culturally/recreationally tied to Boston's black population- Is not as relevant to the professional black population and transplant/transient population. With a weak economy and only 23.4% having degrees (11,273). Boston's economy generally is tied much more to in-state Worcester than Providence's. The high-paying job veer northwest/west not south/southwest.
Raleigh and Durham's city limits touch one another and has to be the dumbest MSA separation in existence. SF and San Jose are nearly fifty miles apart. Boston to Worcester and Boston to Providence is also around fifty miles of separation. Pointless argument...
I'm not sure that Baltimore's numbers are due to DC spillover. Other than Howard and Anne Arundel Counties, black people from the DC area aren't really migrating to Baltimore, particularly those from DC and Virginia. Baltimore is a pretty black metro area with plenty of colleges (both PWIs and HBCUs) and jobs in one of the both blackest and most educated states in the country.
State wise, based on that list, the stand outs for educated black Americans are clearly Maryland and New York, then Georgia, Texas, California, and North Carolina. Which makes sense as these are generally the states that benefited the most from the "New Great Migration" (Maryland, Georgia, Texas, and North Carolina) and the economic powerhouses of this country (NY and California). I would be interested to see how many New Jersey as a state has since some of those NYC and Philly numbers would be in the NJ suburbs. Virginia is also an interesting one. If you combine NOVA, Richmond, and Hampton Roads, you probably have a pretty large educated black population that often goes overlooked.
Chicago (Illinois), Philly (Pennsylvania), and Detroit (Michigan) are solid as well.
I think 100-120k is the threshold for real standouts of a LARGE population. Like Charlotte/Detroit and up. Top 12 type thing.
Once you get down to Raleigh-Durham/Memphis/Boston/San Fran it becomes jumbled and it's a pretty major drop-off from Detroit and Charlotte.
As far as most educated it definitely NC, Maryland, Atlanta, NYC, Hampton Roads, and of course SF, Boston (30% +). Given the colleges and/or expenses of those areas. And the military in Hampton Roads cases its not surprising.
Raleigh and Durham's city limits touch one another and has to be the dumbest MSA separation in existence. SF and San Jose are nearly fifty miles apart. Boston to Worcester and Boston to Providence is also around fifty miles of separation. Pointless argument...
The city limits touch mostly because they're massive city limits. 115 square miles for Durham and 148 for Raleigh compared to 17 square miles for Providence and 37 for Worcester...granted San Jose is 178 sqaure miles...
Boston and Worcester are slightly close than SJ and SF but there is more undeveloped land. Share most of their suburbs in a paractical sense. Towns like Shrewsbury, Hopkinton, and larger cities like Marlborough and Framingham etc. are all both suburbs of Boston and suburbs of Worcester
Raleigh and Durham's city limits touch one another and has to be the dumbest MSA separation in existence. SF and San Jose are nearly fifty miles apart. Boston to Worcester and Boston to Providence is also around fifty miles of separation. Pointless argument...
Yeah I have to agree and I'm sure in the near future Raleigh and Durham will be formally combined into a single MSA. The Research Triangle, airport, and large suburbs like Cary and Morrisville are in between and the whole area does function like a multipolar MSA rather than separate MSAs. There like 15-20 minutes away if you go by city limits. Nice area for both black and non black people, definitely a place I'd consider moving to particularly when I have children.
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I think 100-120k is the threshold for real standouts of a LARGE population. Like Charlotte/Detroit and up. Top 12 type thing.
Once you get down to Raleigh-Durham/Memphis/Boston/San Fran it becomes jumbled and it's a pretty major drop-off from Detroit and Charlotte.
As far as most educated it definitely NC, Maryland, Atlanta, NYC, Hampton Roads, and of course SF, Boston (30% +). Given the colleges and/or expenses of those areas. And the military in Hampton Roads cases its not surprising.
Yeah the list is not surprising, its mostly a mix of places that are economic powerhouses and/or have large black populations. Houston and Dallas will surely become a solid 4/5 and surpass Chicago in the near future for educated black people.
1. NYC 629,669 (29.15%)
2. Atlanta 472,530 (35.01%)
3. Washington DC 411,978 (38.01%)
4. Chicago 265,679 (26.20%)
5. Houston 262,144 (32.75%)
6. DFW 250,550 (31.08%)
7. Philadelphia 203,678 (24.60%)
8. Miami 181,517 (22.74%)
9. Los Angeles 176,711 (30.39%)
10. Baltimore 125,581 (29.42%)
11. Detroit 125,581 (20.02%)
12. Charlotte 125,216 (32.20%)
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13. Raleigh + Durham 99,130 (33.89%)
I've separated based on tiers for easy viewing. I think the biggest surprise, if I had pick, would be Miami. Miami isn't exactly known for a large professional or educated black population and I have no doubt that most of those are in Broward County rather than Miami-Dade.
I'd also be interested in seeing a list by CSA. My guess is that the top three remain the same (NYC, DC+Baltimore, and Atlanta) and places like Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston move up the list.
Yeah I have to agree and I'm sure in the near future Raleigh and Durham will be formally combined into a single MSA. The Research Triangle, airport, and large suburbs like Cary and Morrisville are in between and the whole area does function like a multipolar MSA rather than separate MSAs. There like 15-20 minutes away if you go by city limits. Nice area for both black and non black people, definitely a place I'd consider moving to particularly when I have children.
Yeah the list is not surprising, its mostly a mix of places that are economic powerhouses and/or have large black populations. Houston and Dallas will surely become a solid 4/5 and surpass Chicago in the near future for educated black people.
1. NYC 629,669 (29.15%)
2. Atlanta 472,530 (35.01%)
3. Washington DC 411,978 (38.01%)
4. Chicago 265,679 (26.20%)
5. Houston 262,144 (32.75%)
6. DFW 250,550 (31.08%)
7. Philadelphia 203,678 (24.60%)
8. Miami 181,517 (22.74%)
9. Los Angeles 176,711 (30.39%)
10. Baltimore 125,581 (29.42%)
11. Detroit 125,581 (20.02%)
12. Charlotte 125,216 (32.20%)
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13. Raleigh + Durham 99,130 (33.89%)
I've separated based on tiers for easy viewing. I think the biggest surprise, if I had pick, would be Miami. Miami isn't exactly known for a large professional or educated black population and I have no doubt that most of those are in Broward County rather than Miami-Dade.
I'd also be interested in seeing a list by CSA. My guess is that the top three remain the same (NYC, DC+Baltimore, and Atlanta) and places like Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston move up the list.
In terms of Miami, I believe that parts of Miami Gardens and some nearby communities have a good sized black middle class within Miami-Dade.
I'd also be interested in seeing a list by CSA. My guess is that the top three remain the same (NYC, DC+Baltimore, and Atlanta) and places like Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston move up the list.
Minneapolis and Seattle are the only CSAs where Black Men have a higher rate of education than Black Women.
Boston and Hartford are pretty even gender-wise.
Boston has slightly more Black men with advanced degrees than Charlotte...and is 500 behind Detroit... But Charlotte has far more women with Advanced degrees than Boston. Detroit has nearly 2x as many black women with advanced degrees as Boston.
New York, DC, and Atlanta were the real top dawgs. No one else comes close
I'm not black, but probably also Philadelphia, Baltimore and of course NYC.
Definitely not Boston, Seattle, Portland or anywhere in the Midwest.
At some point we've should stop grouping Boston with Seattle and Portland. Aside from being 3-5x blacker in the city itself. And much longer black history, and deeper concentrations of blacks in its satellite cities. When you go to the CSA level..
While the big cities with a significant middle-class/professional Black population are pretty well known, I wonder if there is an outsize population of these folks in smaller cities with HBCUs. Places like Talladega and Tuskegee in Alabama, Wilberforce, Ohio, Greensboro/Winston Salem in NC, or Norfolk/Hampton VA, for instance.
Thoughts?
As cities maybe yes- because they have HBCUs. As Metros?- probably not.
Even Greensboro-Winston Salem only has 22.55% at ~53,000 its definitely sizable but not huge. Black with a bachelor's degree or higher. Sadly, most HBCU attendees do not graduate.
In most cities you have more advanced degrees or bachelor's degrees han "Some college no degree" In Greensboro-Winston Salem that is not the case. There are very enearly as many "some college, no degree" people as Associate's, Bachelor's and Graduate degrees combined.
Hampton Roads is different, likely due to the military.
# Black households making $100k+ by CSA. I think this is a fair Professional household indicator that accounts for different COL in places like Detroit and Memphis, or households with only one working adult. (BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICAN ALONE HOUSEHOLDER)
Boston 75,059 (32.41%).
San Francisco 70,633 29.8%
Boston has more black male college graduates than Memphis or Hampton Roads. It the only Metro here where black males have equivalent degrees to black women
Boston 36,148
Hampton Roads 33,409
Memphis 27,091
It also has a higher median family income than all of these places, save for DC. Not adjusted for inflation of course.
It's somewhat large in the raw # of black professionals. Especially men.
Combining Raleigh and Durham MSAs is... a choice..Raleigh itself is 53,927
If we're gonna Combine Raleigh and Durham than San Jose and San Fran need to be combined. And Boston and Worcester (I won't even include Providence).
Adding San Jose to San Fran pushes it from 70,633 to ~83,5000. Adding Worcester to Boston pushes it from 75,059 to ~86,000. Worcester MA is 10,821 (37.38%)
Providence while is more culturally/recreationally tied to Boston's black population- Is not as relevant to the professional black population and transplant/transient population. With a weak economy and only 23.4% having degrees (11,273). Boston's economy generally is tied much more to in-state Worcester than Providence's. The high-paying job veer northwest/west not south/southwest.
Boston and SF certainly have a fair number of black professionals. One of the thing that I didn't really want to include them on the list (and this actually applies to Los Angeles also) is the relative low percentage of African-American in the whole metro.
So yes, they qualify under the "having large population of black professional" but definitely are not what I would call "black professional hotspot". The latter is definitely Atlanta, DC, Houston, DFW, and the NC metros, and maybe NYC due to sheer size.
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