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Old 04-09-2024, 11:45 AM
 
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I wish we could tab this and revisit the next time this firm conducts a survey. The only logical explanations would be if Pa voters didn't want Trump but didn't care who they voter for or disliked Trump more than Biden (but would voted for someone else they prefer to Biden, so really not intent on blocking Trump.)

 
Old 04-11-2024, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
Pew and many other top polling groups came out post 2020 election and admitted they messed things up.

https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/...issue-polling/

That being said polling overall did predict Biden would win, it was margin of victory they often got wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ntial_election
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Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm View Post
I imagine even Trump's base is getting tired of his schtick.
Well, they needed some excuse and a way not to support what really happened in the election with Biden "put" in office.

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Originally Posted by Variable View Post
Polls are tightening nationwide and in the swing states.
Biden is improving gradually over the past month.

RCP polling average today for Biden v Trump is Trump +0.3
Last month Trump was +2.3 in RCP polling average

The last 9 nationwide polls are listed below. Biden is ahead in 5, Trump is ahead in 3 and 1 poll is a tie. This will change as newer polls are added. There is a chart in below link that shows prior RCP average and current RCP average.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/pol...trump-vs-biden
Yeah, most people don't believe this, and the ones that do are desperately hanging on to a false narrative that Biden has any chance of winning. Nothing has changed to improve Biden's chances, as he is still senile, border crisis is worse than ever, prices continue to go up, foreclosures continue to go up, summer is coming and the illegals/fake asylum seekers will all be hot bothered to the point of increasing violence..........***Child trafficking to supply the up and coming pedophilia as a normal sexual preference, and we know that will make Biden "alert"!

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Old 04-14-2024, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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LOL, if Donald Trump was getting more popular, he would be going up in the polls against Biden. Instead, the opposite is happening.
The difficulty of President Biden's position is that Trump only needs people not to vote for Biden, whereas Biden needs people to vote for him. With the possible exception of RFK Jr., who appears to be drawing support from both Republican and Democratic voters, any vote not for Biden is effectively a vote for Trump, and the same is true for not voting at all.

I'm just about resigned to Trump winning, now that Biden is doubling down on supporting Israel. A lot of the more progressive voters are going to vote third party or not at all specifically for that reason. I do understand the anger and mostly agree with it, but what's going on in the Middle East has almost nothing to do with the issues affecting how people live here. Allowing Trump four more years in the White House would be a disaster from the progressive point of view, and I can't fathom why they the prospect of that doesn't trump (hah! A little joke) venting our visceral rage.

And you always hear Democrats complaining about working class voters voting against their own best interests. Clearly, that happens on the other end of the spectrum too.
 
Old 04-30-2024, 09:50 PM
 
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Outlier poll. Trump is consistently beating Biden in swing state polls. Cope harder.
 
Old Yesterday, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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Yep-

But two other things besides one wonky poll stand out. There is no lead for either as it is truly a margin of error race. Those numbers are too close to be of any value without the third-party candidates being included.

The eternal questions remain- What is the real breakdown of Trump/Biden/alternate candidate/no candidate? And which direction do undecideds go?
It's a bit useless to ask that question at the moment. The alternate candidate is still being determined in most states. I think that once the slates are set, this question will be worth asking.
 
Old Yesterday, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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]It may be a "margin of error" race, but that margin of error is consistently leaning in one direction.[/b] And it's doing so in all of the swing states. "The election is still months away and anything can happen" and all the standard caveats, but if the election were held today it's pretty clear what the outcome would be.
That is the wrong way to think about the outcome of polls. It's thinking like that, that leads to people think that the elections are rigged because they believe that the polls promised a certain result. They then believe that anything but that expected result is wrong. It's like flipping a coin 10 times in a row and heads comes up the first 9 times, though you know that it is a 50/50 chance for tails you become certain that the 10th will also be heads. But if it comes up tails, do you think it's a valid result or do you think that something must have cheated to have tails turn up on the 10th flip.
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