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Old 01-04-2023, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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It's kind of hard to win without "gaming the system" when your opponent has literally "gamed the system" to win even whilst nominating horrific candidates (Dementia Biden, The Fetterwoman, Coward Cat Lady Katie) by chasing ballots instead of voters.
Exercising maturity and dignity would help. Childish name calling isn't a good look for anyone.

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Until ballot harvesting, drop boxes and mass vote by mail with no excuses are banned, the GOP can only compete by also "gaming the system" in a few key swing states.
You must not think highly of the GOP, then, since you don't believe its candidates can win on their own merits. Perhaps the GOP should encourage better qualified and more engaged candidates, and encourage its members to vote by the means available to them. Stop whining about things that are illegal anyway, and about voting methods that are perfectly legal and have not proven to changes the results of an election.

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In Wisconsin they've already started by cleaning the voter rolls of dead people and fake addresses for the 2022 cycle, but they need to do more.
Every county in the nation should do that. The issue there is time and manpower, which translates to money, which county governments always seem to say is in short supply.

But are dead people and fake addresses (except for maybe some guy using his dead mother's ballot to vote for Trump, and a North Carolina representative using a string of fake addresses ...) really an issue? Are there that many ballots illegally cast?

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As George W. Bush said to his wife and the Clintons as they were leaving the 2016 inauguration after listening to Trump, “that was some weird ****”.
*snort*
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Old 01-04-2023, 11:16 AM
 
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Don't let the real estate maps of red and blue fool ya.

It's always the people that count, not the territory they're living in.

I think the Republican Party stands a better chance of making some big gains if they turn their attention to some of the western states that are blue but very unhappy being blue.

Oregon is one, and so is California. Both have long traditions of conservative dominance, and neither state is very happy with Democratic leadership now.
I think all it would take is some intelligent coherence that offers some optimistic conservative programs, offered by some candidates who understand their states' problems, to make some big inroads in both in 2024.

Give all the voters some good, hopeful reasons to vote conservative, and they'll turn out.
But give them nothing but another poke in the eye and threats of more misery to come and they'll never change.
Then why would they be blue? A few farmers being disgruntled doesn't mean the entire state is unhappy. As demographics are currently constructed with urban areas favoring democrats, the coastal western states are a lost cause. The interior Western states remain in contention, but the style of candidates will need to change if the Republican party is to remain competitive in AZ and NV.
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Old 01-04-2023, 01:34 PM
 
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Don't let the real estate maps of red and blue fool ya.

It's always the people that count, not the territory they're living in.

I think the Republican Party stands a better chance of making some big gains if they turn their attention to some of the western states that are blue but very unhappy being blue.

Oregon is one, and so is California. Both have long traditions of conservative dominance, and neither state is very happy with Democratic leadership now.
I think all it would take is some intelligent coherence that offers some optimistic conservative programs, offered by some candidates who understand their states' problems, to make some big inroads in both in 2024.

Give all the voters some good, hopeful reasons to vote conservative, and they'll turn out.
But give them nothing but another poke in the eye and threats of more misery to come and they'll never change.



This is very likely true but do you think anyone in the current Republican caucus in congress, with the possible exception of some Representatives from Texas, is prepared to do this ? Their agenda seems more partisan than pragmatic.
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