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Old 12-07-2022, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Placitas, New Mexico
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I figured that Walker would eventually pull away. He's a folk hero in Georgia.
Yeah, such a folk hero he just can't win a simple election.
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Old 12-07-2022, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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Link: https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/11...-51-44-n507876

Wowsers! 7 points and if this holds, no need for a runoff.
Awwww, crap!
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Old 12-08-2022, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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The same reason many voters put Fetterman in office in Pennsylvania. Many would abstain from voting but others want their party in office at all costs. The Fetterman and Warnock voters are hard core Democrats and anti Republican.

Warnock towed the company/party line over the last two years and got rewarded with more than double the campaign funding that Walker got. McConnell did little to nothing for party candidates that didn't speak RINO.
What you are forgetting is that neither the Democrat nor Republican base can win an election without Independent voters. That hard core tribal mentality is the fringe mentality on both sides.

What Oz and Walker have in common is that neither was from their state. Fetterman was a known entity with a track record. Oz? A snake oil salesman.

Warnock won in part because the Republican voters were not enthusiastic about Walker and stayed home. That was part of the equation. He still needed Independents along with a solid base turn out and those cross over voters helped as well.

Had Walker been the Democrat candidate? I think he would still have lost. Candidate quality matters. Warnock was also able to snag some Republican voters as well. Look at solid red Henry County in Georgia. Once a Republican strong hold, now rapidly turning blue.

McConnell was pretty MAGA and turned a blind eye to the corruption until MAGA began to die. He already knew that Walker couldn't win. Why throw good money after bad? Like him or not, he's a pretty smart strategist. He's going to put that money where his candidate have a chance of winning. Being a RINO is nothing more than a word salad term that only appeals to the fanatic fringe. That mentality does not win elections.

Some will say a 9 seat win in Congress is still a win. Yes, but, when you factor in the gerrymandered seats and the expectation that there should be a 40 seat gain? Being able to count a win on one hand and still lose the senate? Yikes.

I don't see this as a big win for Biden with his low approval ratings, but yet again a solid rejection of the MAGA toxic crap and another big hell no to Trump.

So what do Republican's do now? Dump the loser criminal and start running good candidates that appeal to we the people, or continue down an untenable path?

What do we the people do moving forward. Keep being manipulated to hate the other side or find common ground and support good candidates on both sides?
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Old 12-08-2022, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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What you are forgetting is that neither the Democrat nor Republican base can win an election without Independent voters. That hard core tribal mentality is the fringe mentality on both sides.
Yup. Anyone who is STILL thinking that a state-wide electoral contest in ANY state is a battle between Ds and Rs is flat-out ignorant.

Arizona numbers -

Republican 1,436,852 34.67%
Democratic 1,270,544 30.66%
Other 1,404,385 33.89%
Libertarian 32,148 0.78%

https://azsos.gov/elections/results-...ion-statistics

Face it Rs, you're gonna have to widen your perspective just a wee bit. It's not a fight between just Ds and Rs anymore. It's roughly one-third Rs, one-third Ds, and one-third Independent/Other.
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Old 12-08-2022, 01:25 PM
 
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What you are forgetting is that neither the Democrat nor Republican base can win an election without Independent voters. That hard core tribal mentality is the fringe mentality on both sides.

What Oz and Walker have in common is that neither was from their state. Fetterman was a known entity with a track record. Oz? A snake oil salesman.

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I don't see this as a big win for Biden with his low approval ratings, but yet again a solid rejection of the MAGA toxic crap and another big hell no to Trump.
Oz actually performed stronger than Fetterman and Walker in regard to their party ticket. Fetterman lagged Shaprio noticeably while Walker was only bout 3.5% lower than Kemp. The difference was Pa going so much stronger R (or Mastriano weighing down the R ticket per Toomey.)

I think people look at Bidens approval and think he has lost support in the center and has the leftward 43% of the electorate. He has lost just as much support from the left and Ds. Those folks may/may not vote but they are not going to vote R. If he had truly lost the middle there is no way Dems would have left this election with the current results.

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Old 12-08-2022, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Oz actually performed stronger than Fetterman and Walker in regard to their party ticket. Fetterman lagged Shaprio noticeably while Walker was only bout 3.5% lower than Kemp. The difference was Pa going so much stronger R (or Mastriano weighing down the R ticket per Toomey.)

I think people look at Bidens approval and think he has lost support in the center and has the leftward 43% of the electorate. He has lost just as much support from the left and Ds. Those folks may/may not vote but they are not going to vote R. If he had truly lost the middle there is no way Dems would have left this election with the current results.
In the case of PA, Oz running quite a bit ahead of Mastriano had more to do with Mastriano being that brutal of a candidate than Oz. Of all the Governor or Senate candidates in any of the remotely swing states, Mastriano was certainly the worst candidate from either side.
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Old 12-08-2022, 03:05 PM
 
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To see a black man grinning while a white southerner says, "we don't need no High I Q people," in support of him, IMO is a set back for black Georgians.
That was the most embarrassing display in politics I've seen in a long time.
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Old 12-10-2022, 09:29 AM
 
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Wowsers! 7 points and if this holds, no need for a runoff.
It appears as though the poll was inaccurate.
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Old 12-10-2022, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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That was the most embarrassing display in politics I've seen in a long time.
When Walker gets back to his home in Texas I hope he takes some time to reflect with what's left of his brain on how he debased himself and black people in general with his obsequious behavior during the election.
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Old 12-10-2022, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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It appears as though the poll was inaccurate.
I bet some Italian guy in Sardinia actually flipped the votes and Walker probably won.
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