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Well, that's a typical view from the so-called "scientific" community, to excuse and pardon their ways, and opt out of their typical exploring. If spirituality - for lack of better word - is of a cosmic and natural nature, tying in with the universe (as I predict), then it certainly should be in their "court", for review. Maybe spirituality isn't the best word to use, and part of the problem. But we shouldn't be getting hung up on words, as a roadblock to action.
They are obviously too scared and worried about pursuing that, so they put their tails between their legs and rely on lame and faulty excuses (like yours above). The openness and exploratory nature of true science crumbles into a cloud of superficial worries and fears. They're guilty of selective science; promoting it when it is easy, blocking it when it becomes inconvenient.
P.S. I said nothing about religion. Religion should play no role in science. Religion is dictated, maintained, and controlled by man. What I'm talking about is in nature, although it interfaces with us (just as we relate to gravity, radiation, sound, etc.) Maybe we don't have the tools - presently - to fully document and capture those details, but we do have the tools internally to pick up on them. That's at least 50% of the way there, and not to be overlooked and ignored.
Your anti-science bigotry is showing. Science by its very nature rightfully does not concern itself with the supernatural.
Well, that's a typical view from the so-called "scientific" community, to excuse and pardon their ways, and opt out of their typical exploring. If spirituality - for lack of better word - is of a cosmic and natural nature, tying in with the universe (as I predict), then it certainly should be in their "court", for review. Maybe spirituality isn't the best word to use, and part of the problem. But we shouldn't be getting hung up on words, as a roadblock to action.
They are obviously too scared and worried about pursuing that, so they put their tails between their legs and rely on lame and faulty excuses (like yours above). The openness and exploratory nature of true science crumbles into a cloud of superficial worries and fears. They're guilty of selective science; promoting it when it is easy, blocking it when it becomes inconvenient.
P.S. I said nothing about religion. Religion should play no role in science. Religion is dictated, maintained, and controlled by man. What I'm talking about is in nature, although it interfaces with us (just as we relate to gravity, radiation, sound, etc.) Maybe we don't have the tools - presently - to fully document and capture those details, but we do have the tools internally to pick up on them. That's at least 50% of the way there, and not to be overlooked and ignored.
This ^^^^ . The silly idea of the supernatural is bogus. It is ALL natural, but some of it is beyond our science's grasp. Science relies on our ability to measure at the macro level. That makes the quantum level largely inaccessible to us. Ironically, the consciousness we use to engage in science exists at the quantum level, but we only indirectly experience it as a "delayed playback" at the macro level. Our life is "after the fact" like the victims in The Sting.
When we take a look at Genesis, many debate whether we should take it as history or simply as a story teaching a specific lesson. As one who sees it as history, I agree there is a lesson there to be learned. That lesson is trusting God's command. Trusting Him and what He has told us. This is something we all can agree with. So when we dive into the story of Adam and Eve, we see the serpent come in and tell Eve something counter to what God told them. What is often missed in this story is what is written in Genesis 3: 6 stating.........
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate............
There it is. The serpent introduced a word counter to God true enough, but Eve didn't immediately disobey at the suggestion. It was when she saw the tree with her eyes and began contemplating with her mind, that she reasoned within herself it was good to eat the fruit. This deception was one of the eyes, and doing what seemed good to her, and Adam followed suit.
All throughout the Bible we see this from Patriarch to Patriarch. There was victories and there was failure. No one was perfect in keeping God's commands. This was true right up until we get to Jesus. Jesus Himself was tempted by the rebel. The satan tried to get Jesus to doubt God's word that He was the Son of God, by getting Him to look at things. (food, self-preservation, and power) Jesus pushed the satan to the side and told him where he can go. Jesus was the first to fully follow and trust God with His whole heart! That is why He is the Master!!! This is the lesson I find that reverberates throughout Scripture.
So what does this have to do with observable science? That's just it, the lesson we learn is that Eve was deceived because she saw the fruit was good for food, and she probably asked within herself what was wrong with eating it? What is God hiding? Observable science is entirely derived from sight. Good science is about following the evidence where it leads. Because of this fact, I would say it is very likely we can be deceived with it. Let me know your thoughts on this. Do you agree, disagree?
Adam was lain down in a sleep of death, he was dead. The rib taken was symbolic for a priest to make Eve out of Adam's body so that Adam became a bridegroom in his bride.
We can tell the same story with Jesus, same story how a bride is made and the betrothal, same story.
Moses went way out of his way to assure us that the story he told was on metaphor and allegory.
In one 24 hour day, Adam named every living creature and it would have taken him ten years on just birds
Within that 24 hour day, Adam had worked and toiled in the land so very long that God looked down and did he needed a help meet, and so in 24 hours. God kills Adam, makes Eve from Adam's own body.
In 24 hours Adam had worked the soil producing harvest after harvest
Moses was no dummy, he didn't miss speak, and Moses along with anyone with common sense knows you cant till the soil, drops some seed to get a harvest in a few hours, and God knows how long Adam was alone, it certainly insinuates a very, very long time
When we take a look at Genesis, many debate whether we should take it as history or simply as a story teaching a specific lesson. As one who sees it as history, I agree there is a lesson there to be learned. That lesson is trusting God's command. Trusting Him and what He has told us. This is something we all can agree with. So when we dive into the story of Adam and Eve, we see the serpent come in and tell Eve something counter to what God told them. What is often missed in this story is what is written in Genesis 3: 6 stating.........
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate............
There it is. The serpent introduced a word counter to God true enough, but Eve didn't immediately disobey at the suggestion. It was when she saw the tree with her eyes and began contemplating with her mind, that she reasoned within herself it was good to eat the fruit. This deception was one of the eyes, and doing what seemed good to her, and Adam followed suit.
All throughout the Bible we see this from Patriarch to Patriarch. There was victories and there was failure. No one was perfect in keeping God's commands. This was true right up until we get to Jesus. Jesus Himself was tempted by the rebel. The satan tried to get Jesus to doubt God's word that He was the Son of God, by getting Him to look at things. (food, self-preservation, and power) Jesus pushed the satan to the side and told him where he can go. Jesus was the first to fully follow and trust God with His whole heart! That is why He is the Master!!! This is the lesson I find that reverberates throughout Scripture.
So what does this have to do with observable science? That's just it, the lesson we learn is that Eve was deceived because she saw the fruit was good for food, and she probably asked within herself what was wrong with eating it? What is God hiding? Observable science is entirely derived from sight. Good science is about following the evidence where it leads. Because of this fact, I would say it is very likely we can be deceived with it. Let me know your thoughts on this. Do you agree, disagree?
Being a true 'science and math' (and music) type myself,
I find your question (and once mine) already answered in scripture:
The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
They have no speech,
they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
Psalm 19:1-3
There is beauty and divine revelation in the natural sciences;
the danger lies in those who try to re-interpret it to serve themselves!
Scripture, from cover to cover also harmonizes in divine melody w/ God's created nature,
for those who have an ear for it!
See, God told Adam ``it is forbidden to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil``............ See Adam was eating from the tree of life, which God was making an eternal soul for Adam with the tree of life where Adam could eat from this tree of life, but was forbidden to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil ........ When Adam ignores God's Words and sinned before God, then God had the tree of life immediately removed from the garden or this would have corrupted the creation of a perfect tree of life ............. Other area of the bible where God is Filled with the tree of Life were behind the veil in the Tabernacle that Moses built and Solomon build where the arch of the covenant was filled with God where if unprepared people came into the veil where God was, they could die in the presence of God ...... Even at the death of Jesus Christ ......in Matthew27:51......... God ripped the veil from the top to the bottom to mark the end of the covenant in the tabernacle on Jerusalem as Jesus became the veil blocking sin before God .......................believer today who get pruned by God through His Spirit can learn about the tree of good and evil and the danger of the devil and His ways where through Jesus is multi time more powerful than the devil and his hoards
This ^^^^ . The silly idea of the supernatural is bogus. It is ALL natural, but some of it is beyond our science's grasp. Science relies on our ability to measure at the macro level. That makes the quantum level largely inaccessible to us. Ironically, the consciousness we use to engage in science exists at the quantum level, but we only indirectly experience it as a "delayed playback" at the macro level. Our life is "after the fact" like the victims in The Sting.
Your 100% correct, there is no supernatural, things just operate at different frequencies. When your tuned into love, your already at that right frequency but these bodies of ours are just like bottles to genies, not very comfortable and very confining , preventing us from merging (being separate is an illusion) with the universal mind, where we came from. It is flesh vs. spirit and neither like each other.
So let's take a look at what science says to us concerning reality, and if it lines up with God's character. According to science, the universe has been around for 13+ billion years, and the earth has been around for 4+ billion. Earth's history in terms of life, has gone through a process of adaptation and death. Through chemical changes in our cells, we evolved. Lifeforms whose changes suits them well to whatever environment they were in, passed their genes on. Those creatures whose changes didn't fit the environment, they died and became extinct. This would be the process God used to create creatures, new species. So would this process of death and survival fit the description of Yahweh?
To continue, the process itself is still ongoing. Are we not the pinnacle of God's creation? If we were, then natural selection should have ceased. There would be no need for this process of death and change to continue, but according to observable science, we are still evolving. If the human race should continue for millions of years onward, our descendants will be different from us, possibly vastly different depending upon the type of environment they are adapted to.
Then there is this, if observable science says creation's past contains billions of years of activity, it further says the universe will continue trillions of years into the future. Galaxies will continue to spread to the point their light will not reach each other. At that point, all the stars in each galaxy will die out, leaving nothing but black holes. Then eventually black holes will evaporate, as there is nothing for them to swallow to keep them going. At that point we will have what is called a "Heat Death" of the universe, where the energy of the universe reaches an equilibrium, and nothing happens. Basically all of God's creation comes to naught. Is this the wisdom of God at work? That everything becomes fruitless, void, and vain? This is what observable science tells us.
So let's take a look at what science says to us concerning reality, and if it lines up with God's character. According to science, the universe has been around for 13+ billion years, and the earth has been around for 4+ billion. Earth's history in terms of life, has gone through a process of adaptation and death. Through chemical changes in our cells, we evolved. Lifeforms whose changes suits them well to whatever environment they were in, passed their genes on. Those creatures whose changes didn't fit the environment, they died and became extinct. This would be the process God used to create creatures, new species. So would this process of death and survival fit the description of Yahweh?
Rudimentary, but it looks like you're beginning to understand.
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To continue, the process itself is still ongoing.
Yes, it is. In some cases, we can watch it happen.
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Are we not the pinnacle of God's creation?
We don't know. Maybe we are, and maybe there is another creation that is above us.
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If we were, then natural selection should have ceased.
Why should it stop? Natural selection is an ongoing process.
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There would be no need for this process of death and change to continue, but according to observable science, we are still evolving.
All living things evolve. Some evolve so quickly that it can be observed in real time.
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If the human race should continue for millions of years onward, our descendants will be different from us, possibly vastly different depending upon the type of environment they are adapted to.
That is correct. Humans alive today are somewhat different from humans that lived thousands of years ago. One thing that is easy to see is that humans are taller now that they were as recently as a thousand years ago.
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Then there is this, if observable science says creation's past contains billions of years of activity, it further says the universe will continue trillions of years into the future.
No, the astrophysicists aren't saying "if." They are observing these things as they happen. Of course, nobody knows how long this process will continue.
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Galaxies will continue to spread to the point their light will not reach each other.
What makes you think that? Has somebody determined that there is a limit to how far light can reach?
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At that point, all the stars in each galaxy will die out, leaving nothing but black holes.
That's almost certainly incorrect. Stars form and stars die all the time. We don't even know if all stars collapse into black holes when their energy dies out.
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Then eventually black holes will evaporate, as there is nothing for them to swallow to keep them going.
You've shown your lack of knowledge again. (Maybe astrophysics isn't for you.) Black holes don't need anything to keep them going. They suck everything (including light) in because of their enormous mass. They are not using up energy to exist. Where did you get the idea that black holes evaporate?
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At that point we will have what is called a "Heat Death" of the universe, where the energy of the universe reaches an equilibrium, and nothing happens.
What is your source for this information? I've never heard of a "Heat Death of the Universe."
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Basically all of God's creation comes to naught.
What does that even mean? Come to naught?
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Is this the wisdom of God at work? That everything becomes fruitless, void, and vain?
Where did you come up with the idea that God's what becomes fruitless, void, and vain? Sounds like something you just made up.
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This is what observable science tells us.
No, it doesn't. Science deals with what is observable. Scientists would not be using terms like "becomes fruitless, void, and vain?"
When we take a look at Genesis, many debate whether we should take it as history or simply as a story teaching a specific lesson. As one who sees it as history, I agree there is a lesson there to be learned. That lesson is trusting God's command. Trusting Him and what He has told us. This is something we all can agree with. So when we dive into the story of Adam and Eve, we see the serpent come in and tell Eve something counter to what God told them. What is often missed in this story is what is written in Genesis 3: 6 stating.........
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate............
There it is. The serpent introduced a word counter to God true enough, but Eve didn't immediately disobey at the suggestion. It was when she saw the tree with her eyes and began contemplating with her mind, that she reasoned within herself it was good to eat the fruit. This deception was one of the eyes, and doing what seemed good to her, and Adam followed suit.
All throughout the Bible we see this from Patriarch to Patriarch. There was victories and there was failure. No one was perfect in keeping God's commands. This was true right up until we get to Jesus. Jesus Himself was tempted by the rebel. The satan tried to get Jesus to doubt God's word that He was the Son of God, by getting Him to look at things. (food, self-preservation, and power) Jesus pushed the satan to the side and told him where he can go. Jesus was the first to fully follow and trust God with His whole heart! That is why He is the Master!!! This is the lesson I find that reverberates throughout Scripture.
So what does this have to do with observable science? That's just it, the lesson we learn is that Eve was deceived because she saw the fruit was good for food, and she probably asked within herself what was wrong with eating it? What is God hiding? Observable science is entirely derived from sight. Good science is about following the evidence where it leads. Because of this fact, I would say it is very likely we can be deceived with it. Let me know your thoughts on this. Do you agree, disagree?
If you see Genesis as literal history, science is going to be at odds with your view. So either science is deceptive or your view of Genesis is wrong.
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This is the lesson I find that reverberates throughout Scripture.
