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Old 04-17-2024, 09:24 AM
 
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Yes Adam could reproduce, sire children and Eve could give birth in Eden.

My understanding is that because they were told to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis that they could reproduce and Eve could bear children in Eden.

But when they sinned in Eden the curse on the woman was bearing children in pain and getting her painful period. Adam would have to work to provide for his offspring.
That is the only change that I see when it comes to being able to bear children to be fruitful and multiply outside of Eden. That sin also kept them away from the tree of life.
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Old 04-17-2024, 10:23 AM
 
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So if the story of Adam & Eve isn't an allegorical myth to teach a moral/spiritual principle to believers, it has to follow that incest is built in to the Divine Plan, right? That's how the world would have to be populated following the expulsion, doesn't make sense to me.
Incest wasn't an issue at that point in time.

You start the world with one person, then another that came from the first person - I don't think there is a much in the way of an Option B.
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Old 04-17-2024, 11:06 AM
 
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Incest wasn't an issue at that point in time.

You start the world with one person, then another that came from the first person - I don't think there is a much in the way of an Option B.
So at what point did incest become an issue? And that would imply that moral/spiritual laws (some/all?) evolve over time, aren't eternal or absolute. Or that the story of the expulsion from the Garden was really an allegorical myth to teach about obedience & humility.
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Old 04-17-2024, 11:58 AM
 
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So at what point did incest become an issue? And that would imply that moral/spiritual laws (some/all?) evolve over time, aren't eternal or absolute. Or that the story of the expulsion from the Garden was really an allegorical myth to teach about obedience & humility.
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Old 04-17-2024, 12:15 PM
 
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So at what point did incest become an issue? And that would imply that moral/spiritual laws (some/all?) evolve over time, aren't eternal or absolute. Or that the story of the expulsion from the Garden was really an allegorical myth to teach about obedience & humility.
Incest was codified in the OT Jewish legal system in Leviticus. Socially, the first indicator that the idea on incest was frowned upon was when Rueben slept w/ dad's concubine in Genesis.

Some laws do change over time. Food is one area. There were no food laws... then OT Israel had food laws... then Jesus declared all foods are clean.

The Garden story is not myth. 1- It would render other Scriptures as false. 2- There's too much that has happened, and is still happening as a result of what happened in the Garden.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:28 PM
 
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Yes they were told be fruitful and multiply before eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.
They didn't even know they were naked. Seems like that would be a prerequisite for the sex act. I think they were as sexually unaware as two three-year-olds.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:30 PM
 
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If the scriptures don't specifically say, it's not up for us to know or guess. We shouldn't play games with the scripturally unspecified and unknown. God had reasons for what was included and not included.
Maybe it was men who decided what would be included and what would be excluded. After all, they changed their minds quite a bit over time.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:31 PM
 
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Yes Adam could reproduce, sire children and Eve could give birth in Eden.

My understanding is that because they were told to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis that they could reproduce and Eve could bear children in Eden.
If Eden had any physical boundaries, it would have gotten awfully crowded before very many generations had passed.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:48 PM
 
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Maybe it was men who decided what would be included and what would be excluded. After all, they changed their minds quite a bit over time.
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Old 04-17-2024, 05:35 PM
 
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So at what point did incest become an issue? And that would imply that moral/spiritual laws (some/all?) evolve over time, aren't eternal or absolute. Or that the story of the expulsion from the Garden was really an allegorical myth to teach about obedience & humility.
Yes and also a punishment. They disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge.
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