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I don’t think you and mystic are going to be able to come to an agreement because you are ‘called’ in/via totally different ‘ways’
These are just my observations and questions:-
But who is being saved from what?
Salvation is healing at the internal level and it frees us to do our own small part in Gods eternal kingdom that you and I both acknowledge, and from what I can understand it was Prophecied in the Hebrew Scriptures and it’s in the 1st century where it gets seeded in ‘the earth’ through Jesus
It is our own individual response to the gospel that leads us away from the various pre-existing religious entities that have and will ‘lord’ it over this physical/temporal realm/dimension
Mystic has no allegiance to any temporal religious authorities down here
You, me, anyone brought up in the traditions of Christianity have an inheritance down here religiously and we have an obligation because of that inheritance to work with the documents left via ‘the fathers’
Mystic’s trajectory is eastern Buddhist/atheist to free in a western land (America)
Yours is ?? to non-denominational
Mine is Presbyterian—- >>> Pentecostal ——>>> free (in NZ)
I agree with the bold. But I think Michael and I just want to make sure it isn't because we do not understand each other. I believe that Christians focused on what they believe are misguided. It is what their beliefs are causing them to BECOME that matters to God, IMO.
I don’t think you and mystic are going to be able to come to an agreement because you are ‘called’ in/via totally different ‘ways’
These are just my observations and questions:-
But who is being saved from what?
Salvation is healing at the internal level and it frees us to do our own small part in Gods eternal kingdom that you and I both acknowledge, and from what I can understand it was Prophecied in the Hebrew Scriptures and it’s in the 1st century where it gets seeded in ‘the earth’ through Jesus
It is our own individual response to the gospel that leads us away from the various pre-existing religious entities that have and will ‘lord’ it over this physical/temporal realm/dimension
Mystic has no allegiance to any temporal religious authorities down here
You, me, anyone brought up in the traditions of Christianity have an inheritance down here religiously and we have an obligation because of that inheritance to work with the documents left via ‘the fathers’
Mystic’s trajectory is eastern Buddhist/atheist to free in a western land (America)
Yours is ?? to non-denominational
Mine is Presbyterian—- >>> Pentecostal ——>>> free (in NZ)
Obviously we are never going to agree. I believe what the NT says about salvation and he doesn't. And never the twain shall meet.
Sounds like Charles wasn't a "sinner's prayer" guy...
Or maybe he wasn't on board with "once saved always saved"...
As far as the topic...
I've always been curious about how much the works of Dante influenced the "levels of hell" concept.
Dante has been an amplifying negative influence on the misperception of God and our relationship with God. It has been a travesty of primitive ignorance, human vanity, hubris, and lack of self-esteem, IMO.
Obviously we are never going to agree. I believe what the NT says about salvation and he doesn't. And never the twain shall meet.
That’s because of our very human limitations intellectually and emotionally, and I think it’s because you and I understand the design of composition referred to in ‘the writings’ how the earthly/spiritual is bound within a body, and that composition makes ‘the soul’ and that’s where our consciousness is (I’m not saying it’s absolute but it’s what I think you and I have agreed on before)
However big or small the entities being referred to are - there is basic elemental ‘composition’
I think this factors into what is being discussed on the ‘ The Life Before in Literature and in the Scriptures’ regarding ‘the creation’
Where he imagines a free spirit totally divorced from the earthly
That’s because of our very human limitations and I think it’s because you and I understand the design of composition referred to in ‘the writings’ how the earthly/spiritual is bound within a body, and that composition makes ‘the soul’
However big or small the entities being referred to are - there is basic elemental ‘composition’
Where he imagines a free spirit totally divorced from the earthly
It is NOT divorced from the earthly until its physical "death." The earthly body is the ("plant" that bears the "fruit" of the Spirit). The "fruit" no longer needs the plant once it is "picked."
You are not a plant. You are a spirit residing within a temple.
Who plants a temple? Why would Jesus describe the Kingdom of God as if a man "planted a seed in the earth and it grew on its own" if He was referring to a temple?
You are not a plant. You are a spirit residing within a temple.
Yep
It seems to me that the plant metaphor is not about any individual human beings, it is about the 2 different types of human labourers working in the field/world (Cain) as opposed to the shepherd types (Abel)
Sons of ‘Adam’
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I believe that Christians focused on what they believe are misguided. It is what their beliefs are causing them to BECOME that matters to God, IMO.
