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Yes but in america,Christians are hated for their hypocrisy...not for speaking actual truth. I do not label myself a Christian,though I quietly follow that doctrine...but yes speaking the truth and being punished for it definitely seems to be true.
If you read the 1st Apology writing that is attributed to Justin martyr (I think that is a title) that is exactly what was being expressed
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Reason directs those who are truly pious and philosophical to honour and love only what is true, declining to follow traditional opinions, if these be worthless. For not only does sound reason direct us to refuse the guidance of those who did or taught anything wrong, but it is incumbent on the lover of truth, by all means, and if death be threatened, even before his own life, to choose to do and say what is right. Do you, then, since you are called pious and philosophers, guardians of justice and lovers of learning, give good heed, and hearken to my address; and if you are indeed such, it will be manifested. For we have come, not to flatter you by this writing, nor please you by our address, but to beg that you pass judgment, after an accurate and searching investigation, not flattered by prejudice or by a desire of pleasing superstitious men, nor induced by irrational impulse or evil rumours which have long been prevalent, to give a decision which will prove to be against yourselves. For as for us, we reckon that no evil can be done us, unless we be convicted as evil-doers or be proved to be wicked men; and you, you can kill, but not hurt us.
Both Matthew and Jesus were Jewish. There was no Christianity yet.
Yes it was. Christian means Christ-like. In His day, Jesus called people to be like Him, Christ-like, i.e., Christian. But to your credit, the term "Christian" was not used in Jesus' day; that would come later.
Both Matthew and Jesus were Jewish. There was no Christianity yet.
He's dreaming, dont wake him up lol.
He's not even in the same religion as Jesus was, Muslims believe in Jesus too, its about the same. If a person does decide to follow the example and religion of Christ, he will find out how fast some family members and friends turn on them.....
Christianity was a sect of Judaism and it was ten whole years before Peter had his dream about Gentiles converting to Judaism. That Christianity was hated especially by Rome because it began changing peoplee to believe in just one God...
A Gentile born around the turn of the first century was doomed if he wanted to be a disciple of Christ.
7.7.7 should inform his family that he will be keeping the feast of Tabernnacles this year in honor of Christ and invite the boss and see how that works out, but all this supposed Christian perssecution is silly in my eyes.Actual convertion to the religion of Christ brings divorce, hatred between family, loss of job and wife, and those were just the blessings.
How is somebody outside the religion of Christ being persecuted for the religion of Christ? A Musim can say the same.
If there was ever a group of people opppressing other people century after century for 2 millennia, its us Christians, our history and beliefs have abused the whole world using the name of Jesus, but not in the religion of Jesus, and if we hated anyone the most, it would be a Gentile having the same holy days as Christ, they were despised more than Jews, a wannabe Jew couldnt be tolerated.
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Suffering and persecution is a tool the Lord uses to clense and purify his Church.
So it is actually a very good thing. It will flush out the hypocritic hands, flush them right down the toilet bowl, as they were just doing whatever they wanted and SIN meant nothing to them.
So I welcome the suffering and persecution. Like another poster said, so many hypocrits out there now.
Eph 5:5* For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.*
Eph 5:6* Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.*
Sadly, Katz, this concern for and desire for the "last days" almost seems like it is an ASPIRATION to be hated as a badge of their faith for some Christians!
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Originally Posted by WalkintheLight
Suffering and persecution is a tool the Lord uses to clense and purify his Church.
So it is actually a very good thing. It will flush out the hypocritic hands, flush them right down the toilet bowl, as they were just doing whatever they wanted and SIN meant nothing to them.
So I welcome the suffering and persecution. Like another poster said, so many hypocrits out there now.
Eph 5:5* For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.*
Eph 5:6* Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.*
Yes it was. Christian means Christ-like. In His day, Jesus called people to be like Him, Christ-like, i.e., Christian. But to your credit, the term "Christian" was not used in Jesus' day; that would come later.
Yes, Jesus was born a Jew, lived & taught in the temple as a Jew & was killed as a Jew with that noted on his cross. It was only much later, about one generation, when people who never met or knew Jesus or didn't live where he did & didn't even speak the same language started changing the script to fit their own opinions. Paul even started a beef with Peter & others in his Epistles, who had actually spent years living & walking with Jesus.
But people today believe what they want to believe.
Christianity was a sect of Judaism and it was ten whole years before Peter had his dream about Gentiles converting to Judaism. That Christianity was hated especially by Rome because it began changing people to believe in just one God...
A Gentile born around the turn of the first century was doomed if he wanted to be a disciple of Christ.
How is somebody outside the religion of Christ being persecuted for the religion of Christ? A Muslim can say the same.
If there was ever a group of people opppressing other people century after century for 2 millennia, its us Christians, our history and beliefs have abused the whole world using the name of Jesus, but not in the religion of Jesus, and if we hated anyone the most, it would be a Gentile having the same holy days as Christ, they were despised more than Jews, a wannabe Jew couldnt be tolerated.
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That Christianity was hated especially by Rome because it began changing people to believe in just one God.
True - all ancient nations had their official religion. Religion participation was required in all ancient nations. All citizens were required to practice the state religion. Christians refused to make offerings to Roman gods or take part in Roman religious festivals. Hence, Christians were persecuted.
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A Gentile born around the turn of the first century was doomed if he wanted to be a disciple of Christ.
??? Citations please.
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How is somebody outside the religion of Christ being persecuted for the religion of Christ? A Muslim can say the same.
This is silliness. Muslims do not believe that Christ was the living Son of God. Muslims believe that Christ was just another prophet, like Muhammad.
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In the Quran, Jesus is described as the Messiah (al-Masīḥ), miraculously born of a virgin, performing miracles, accompanied by his disciples, rejected by the Jewish religious establishment, but not as crucified or dying on the cross (nor resurrected), rather as miraculously saved by God and ascending into heaven.
The Quran places Jesus among the greatest prophets, and mentions him with various titles. The prophethood of Jesus is preceded by that of Yahya and succeeded by Muhammad, the latter of whom Jesus is reported to have prophesied by using the name Ahmad.
There is a variety of variable interpretations in Islam about Jesus Christ. Mainstream interpretations of the Quran lack the Orthodox Christian philosophy theological concepts of Christology regarding divine hypostasis, so to many it appears the Quran rejects Christ because in the Christian view of the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus Christ as the Judeo-Christian God incarnate being a man, or as the literal Son of God in human flesh, as it apparently denies the doctrine of the divine humanity of Jesus as God in several verses, and also insinuates that Jesus Christ did not claim to be personally God (God the Father). Muslims believe that Jesus' original message was altered (taḥrīf), after him being raised alive. The monotheism (tawḥīd) of Jesus is emphasized in the Quran. Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is also called a Muslim, as he preached that his followers should adopt the 'straight path' (Ṣirāṭ al-Mustaqīm). Jesus is attributed with a vast number of miracles in Islamic tradition.
Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion. Muslims worship Allah alone. But due to the fact that Muslims highly respect and venerate the Prophet, many non-Muslims, especially in the West, mistakenly believe that Muslims worship him. If Prophet Muhammad were divine, surely he would not have died. Before his death the Prophet cautioned his followers unequivocally that they should not worship or make idols of him like the followers of other Prophets did.
If there was ever a group of people oppressing other people century after century for 2 millennia, its us Christians, our history and beliefs have abused the whole world using the name of Jesus
As of opposed to Genghis Khan? Mongol invasions? The last one was in 1502 - basically 500 years of attacks on Christians.
Barbarians including German, Hunnic and Slavic peoples invading and sacking Rome and the Library of Alexandria. Those pesky Goths, Huns and Vikings burning ancient civilizations to the ground!
During the Dark Ages (5th to 14th centuries), Christians were under siege, desperately trying to survive from the Barbarians and the Mongols.
The French Revolution (May 5, 1789 – Nov 9, 1799) - an anti-Christians revolution with its attacks on priests. The revolutionaries changing the calendar into a 10 day week so Christians would lose track of which day was a Sunday and not attend church.
Yes, Jesus was born a Jew, lived & taught in the temple as a Jew & was killed as a Jew with that noted on his cross. It was only much later, about one generation, when people who never met or knew Jesus or didn't live where he did & didn't even speak the same language started changing the script to fit their own opinions. Paul even started a beef with Peter & others in his Epistles, who had actually spent years living & walking with Jesus.
But people today believe what they want to believe.
2. The Religion of Jesus
196:2.1 (2091.10) Some day a reformation in the Christian church may strike deep enough to get back to the unadulterated religious teachings of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. You may preach a religion about Jesus, but, perforce, you must live the religion of Jesus. In the enthusiasm of Pentecost, Peter unintentionally inaugurated a new religion, the religion of the risen and glorified Christ. The Apostle Paul later on transformed this new gospel into Christianity, a religion embodying his own theologic views and portraying his own personal experience with the Jesus of the Damascus road. The gospel of the kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul’s religious experience and to a portrayal of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian.
2. The Religion of Jesus
196:2.1 (2091.10) Some day a reformation in the Christian church may strike deep enough to get back to the unadulterated religious teachings of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. You may preach a religion about Jesus, but, perforce, you must live the religion of Jesus. In the enthusiasm of Pentecost, Peter unintentionally inaugurated a new religion, the religion of the risen and glorified Christ. The Apostle Paul later on transformed this new gospel into Christianity, a religion embodying his own theologic views and portraying his own personal experience with the Jesus of the Damascus road. The gospel of the kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul’s religious experience and to a portrayal of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian.
The Urantia Book (sometimes called The Urantia Papers or The Fifth Epochal Revelation) is a spiritual, philosophical, and religious book that originated in Chicago, Illinois, United States sometime between 1924 and 1955. The authorship remains a matter of debate. It has received various degrees of interest ranging from praise to criticism for its religious and science-related content, its unusual length, and the unusual names and origins of the authors named within the book.
The text introduces the word "Urantia" as the name of the planet Earth and states that its intent is to "present enlarged concepts and advanced truth." The book aims to unite religion, science, and philosophy. Its large amount of content on topics of interest to science is unique among documents said to have been received from celestial beings. Among other topics, the book discusses the origin and meaning of life, mankind's place in the universe, the history of the planet, the relationship between God and people, and the life of Jesus.
The exact circumstances of the origin of The Urantia Book are unknown. The book and its publishers do not name a human author. Instead, it is written as if directly presented by numerous celestial beings appointed to the task of providing an "epochal" religious revelation.
As early as 1911, William S. Sadler and his wife Lena Sadler, physicians in Chicago and well known in the community, are said to have been approached by a neighbor who was concerned because she would occasionally find her husband in a deep sleep and breathing abnormally. She reported that she was unable to wake him at these times. The Sadlers came to observe the episodes, and over time, the individual produced verbal communications that claimed to be from "student visitor" spiritual beings. This changed sometime in early 1925 with a "voluminous handwritten document," which from then on became the regular method of purported communication. The individual was never identified publicly but has been described as "a hard-boiled business man, member of the board of trade and stock exchange."
Comparison to Seventh-day Adventism
Gardner notes similarities between Seventh-day Adventism and the teachings of The Urantia Book, and sees this as evidence that William Sadler and Wilfred Kellogg had a role in editing or writing the book, since they both were one-time believers in Adventism. For instance, two basic Adventist beliefs that distinguish it from mainline Christianity are the doctrines of soul sleeping and annihilationism, both of which The Urantia Book also supports. Lewis notes that from the perspective of the book being a "revelation," it could be claimed the "celestial beings" simply found areas of Adventist belief to be accurate and therefore presented and expanded on them. While the book supports aspects of Adventism, it also is mixed with teachings that are heresies to Adventists.
Consideration as literature
The Urantia Book has been enjoyed by some as a form of science fiction, historical fiction or fantasy. The Urantia Book is noted for its high level of internal consistency and an advanced writing style. Skeptic Martin Gardner, in a book otherwise highly critical of The Urantia Book, writes that it is "highly imaginative" and that the "cosmology outrivals in fantasy the cosmology of any science-fiction work known to me.
True - all ancient nations had their official religion. Religion participation was required in all ancient nations. All citizens were required to practice the state religion. Christians refused to make offerings to Roman gods or take part in Roman religious festivals. Hence, Christians were persecuted.
??? Citations please.
This is silliness. Muslims do not believe that Christ was the living Son of God. Muslims believe that Christ was just another prophet, like Muhammad.
As of opposed to Genghis Khan? Mongol invasions? The last one was in 1502 - basically 500 years of attacks on Christians.
Barbarians including German, Hunnic and Slavic peoples invading and sacking Rome and the Library of Alexandria. Those pesky Goths, Huns and Vikings burning ancient civilizations to the ground!
During the Dark Ages (5th to 14th centuries), Christians were under siege, desperately trying to survive from the Barbarians and the Mongols.
I really don't think the Mongols, the Barbarians, Goths, Huns and Vikings were necessarily invading places because the people there were "Christians". In the case of Rome...they wanted to topple it after being under their thumb for hundreds of years. They just managed to get to them during the Christian era.
Most of these other places got invaded because they were there... and they had stuff... and women. The invaders couldn't have cared less about what religion they were.
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