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Old 12-13-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Certainly there needs to be a balance.

I think on the whole, people more often have a tendency to overinflate their own "goodness" and minimize/trivialize their own "badness", rather than vice versa. But maybe it's just me who tends to do that
Ha, but that is what I mean exactly. You have the presence of mind to understand that what you see as negative in others may just be a reflection of what is in yourself. That is maturity.

Needing balance is absolutely true of all of us!
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Old 12-13-2022, 10:18 AM
 
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Certainly there needs to be a balance.

I think on the whole, people more often have a tendency to overinflate their own "goodness" and minimize/trivialize their own "badness", rather than vice versa. But maybe it's just me who tends to do that
And this is not just personally either

It gets worse when more people gather together and become ‘one’ in purpose

This inflation and multiplication has repercussions

You like to inflate your faith and minimise others faith, but it’s not just you who does that, we each can only view things from our own perspectives
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Old 12-13-2022, 10:24 AM
 
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Popular, but moldy now, Internet claim. "We" don't all live in that world, and I suspect if that is really a thing, those 4-year-olds are now only 14.

My kid is 31, played softball and basketball, pretty much sucked at both, but she never got "participation trophies".

The other side of your claim, though, that everyone needs to be "reminded"--and always by those who don't ever seem to look inward, only at others--of what low-life, wrongful sinners they are, day in, day out, is exactly what is causing people to walk away from the dark negativity of churches that see them that way.
I'm 49. And I did get participation trophies.

And yes, I do believe that if most Americans looked inward and were aware of how sinful their own hearts were, and then repented in light of a holy God, this nation would be much better.

The interesting thing is, for all this talk about how it's always my side that are the hurtful ones, you've been known to throw some pretty good ones yourself. Both to people that used to be here, as well las ones that are currently. You and your side are not blameless. But it's true that one can usually only see the fault in others.
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Old 12-13-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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There's definitely truth in that. But just as familial and civil authority are legitimate things, so too is spiritual authority.
No human has spiritual authority over me. Only God does and He allows what He allows. You really think you're in control? Haha
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Old 12-13-2022, 10:32 AM
 
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No human has spiritual authority over me. Only God does and He allows what He allows. You really think you're in control? Haha


It's funny what some of the overly-religious church lovers suggest here at times, as though churches are the ultimate measure of God, church staff can do no wrong, and any card-carrying member can waive his/her finger at others with "authority".

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Old 12-13-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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No human has spiritual authority over me. Only God does and He allows what He allows.
I understand that you do not recognize or submit to any spiritual authority. However, just because you do not recognize lawful spiritual authority, does not mean that it does not exist. Even Jesus Himself recognized the lawful authority of the Pharisees (Matthew 23:2-3).

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You really think you're in control? Haha
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. I have control over some things, namely my own actions; but all in all I have control over very little.
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Old 12-13-2022, 11:00 AM
 
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I understand that you do not recognize or submit to any spiritual authority. However, just because you do not recognize lawful spiritual authority, does not mean that it does not exist. Even Jesus Himself recognized the lawful authority of the Pharisees (Matthew 23:2-3).



I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. I have control over some things, namely my own actions; but all in all I have control over very little.
I take responsibility for myself if that's what you mean. My arguments stand on their own good or bad. I need not hide behind an authority. God knows where I am. If He wants me He'll come get me.
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Old 12-13-2022, 11:29 AM
 
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No human has spiritual authority over me. Only God does and He allows what He allows. You really think you're in control? Haha
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I take responsibility for myself if that's what you mean. My arguments stand on their own good or bad. I need not hide behind an authority. God knows where I am. If He wants me He'll come get me.
This is the radical difference between the religious systems which only have jurisdiction here and the spiritual that has jurisdiction ‘there’

You and Mike are speaking of totally different things I believe, and I also think he’s already got you
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Old 12-13-2022, 11:43 AM
 
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This is the radical difference between the religious systems which only have jurisdiction here and the spiritual that has jurisdiction ‘there’

You and Mike are speaking of totally different things I believe, and I also think he’s already got you
I'll stay where I am then.
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Old 12-13-2022, 11:51 AM
 
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I'll stay where I am then.
Yep, the point is not to go back into bondage or under another teacher once you have left ‘the system’ we are to use what we learnt under the system in a different way

Gal 5:1**Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Gal 5:18**But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

I can’t speak for you obviously but what you have shared has a lot of similarities to what I have experienced
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