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Old 12-13-2022, 07:24 AM
 
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Let's not be like the priests, Pharisees, and doctors of the law.

From Meditations for Advent by Jacques-Benigne Bossuet:

Those who said "we see" (John 9:41) and who blinded themselves by their presumption: have they better comprehended Jesus Christ? No, the priests did not comprehend him. The Pharisees did not comprehend him. The doctors of the law did not comprehend him. Jesus Christ was an enigma to them. They could not suffer the truth, for it humiliated, corrected, and condemned them. And they in their turn humiliated, tormented, contradicted, and crucified truth itself.

Do we comprehend it, we who call ourselves his disciples, but who nonetheless wish to please men and ourselves? Let us humble ourselves and say: the light still shines in the darkness every day by faith and the gospel, but the darkness has not comprehended it, and Jesus Christ finds hardly anyone willing to imitate him.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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But you don't believe that anyone outside yourself has spiritual authority, do you?
Not over me. Only over themselves.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:29 AM
 
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Not over me. Only over themselves.
Spiritual anarchy then
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:31 AM
 
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I think we all know the answer to that. People want to be told they're good. We have a world where kids have been getting participation trophies since age 4. They don't want to be told they have done anything wrong.
Popular, but moldy now, Internet claim. "We" don't all live in that world, and I suspect if that is really a thing, those 4-year-olds are now only 14.

My kid is 31, played softball and basketball, pretty much sucked at both, but she never got "participation trophies".

The other side of your claim, though, that everyone needs to be "reminded"--and always by those who don't ever seem to look inward, only at others--of what low-life, wrongful sinners they are, day in, day out, is exactly what is causing people to walk away from the dark negativity of churches that see them that way.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:31 AM
 
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Spiritual anarchy then
Trust God. You can't thwart Him anyway.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:39 AM
 
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Trust God. You can't thwart Him anyway.
How do you think God works? He has always worked through humans.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:41 AM
 
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How do you think God works? He has always worked through humans.
I think He works thru the walk and not the talk. The people running around telling everyone they are special and know the way are the least special people out there.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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The other side of your claim, though, that everyone needs to be "reminded"--and always by those who don't ever seem to look inward, only at others--of what low-life, wrongful sinners they are, day in, day out, is exactly what is causing people to walk away from the dark negativity of churches that see them that way.
Certainly there needs to be a balance.

I think on the whole, people more often have a tendency to overinflate their own "goodness" and minimize/trivialize their own "badness", rather than vice versa. But maybe it's just me who tends to do that
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:44 AM
 
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:44 AM
 
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I think He works thru the walk and not the talk. The people running around telling everyone they are special and know the way are the least special people out there.
There's definitely truth in that. But just as familial and civil authority are legitimate things, so too is spiritual authority.
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