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Neither Jesus, Mary & Joseph , all his apostles, even the first century church Never even heard of such a Doctrine.
the TRINITY is a Doctrine of Man, formulated 350 years after Christ, at the church council of 381 AD.
Satan Deceived the whole world !
While it is not necessary to believe that God is a Triune Being in order to be saved, the Trinitarian doctrine did not arise in spite of what the Bible says, but because of what it says. The New Testament refers to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as God while making a distinction between each of them.
Because of the fact that the New Testament does present Jesus and the Holy Spirit as God, as is the Father, the early church fathers attempted to understand the relationship between God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. As a result, different ideas were put forth such as Modalism in which God presents Himself as the Father at times, as the Son at other times, and as the Holy Spirit at yet other times.
''Modalism is the theological doctrine that the Father, Son, and Spirit are not three distinct Persons, but rather three modes or forms of activity under which God manifests Himself.''
In contrast to Modalism, Tritheism teaches that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three different gods. Tritheism appears to have developed during the 3rd century AD.
Trinitarianism avoided the extremes of Modalism and Tritheism by teaching that while God is one, He exists as three persons. The Bible best supports the teaching of Trinitarianism by recognizing that God is One while also stating that in addition to the Father, both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are also stated to be God.
Therefore, while certain sects deny the Trinitarian doctrine, it is the belief of mainstream Christianity.
Also, while a formal doctrine of the Trinity was hammered out at the Council of Nicea in AD 325 which was called in an attempt to end the dispute between the Arians and the Trinitarians, the idea of the Triune nature of God pre-existed the Council of Nicea. Tertullian (AD 155-240) had his Trinitarian views and was the first person to use the term trinitas (Latin) from which we get the word Trinity.
By the way, emperor Constantine didn't care which side of the argument won (the Arians or the Trinitarians), he simply wanted unity in the church because it aided unity in the empire which was important to Constantine.
Last edited by Michael Way; 11-06-2020 at 08:53 PM..
Neither Jesus, Mary & Joseph , all his apostles, even the first century church Never even heard of such a Doctrine.
the TRINITY is a Doctrine of Man, formulated 350 years after Christ, at the church council of 381 AD.
Satan Deceived the whole world !
From a historical viewpoint (and not from a religious website but from Stanford University) during the first three centuries the following is noted...
"No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “personsâ€, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
"The terms we translate as “Trinity†(Latin: trinitas, Greek: trias) seem to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century; but such usage doesn't reflect trinitarian belief. These late second and third century authors use such terms not to refer to the one God, but rather to refer to the plurality of the one God, together with his Son (on Word) and his Spirit. They profess a “trinityâ€, triad or threesome, but not a triune or tripersonal God. Nor did they consider these to be equally divine."
"The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every being that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, being less than the Father, is superior to rational creatures alone (for he is second to the Father); the Holy Spirit is still less, and dwells within the saints alone. So that in this way the power of the Father is greater than that of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and that of the Son is more than that of the Holy Spirit"-Origen
What does the above mean? Even the earliest proponents who began to blur the lines between the Almighty God and his only begotten Son held Jesus to be in a subordinate position.
"The Father is greater than I"-John 14:28
"I'm ascending to my Father and your Father and my God and your God-John 20:17
Jesus said this of himself and taught his disciples that even he has a God and not that he is God. Doesn't matter what others wrote about Jesus. What matters is what is attributed to what Jesus said of his relationship with God.
So one can perfectly accept Jesus as divine but not overstep what he taught about himself or go beyond the meaning of what is divine.
Actually Jesus taught on the trinity and gave a grave warning for people that the number for God is not 666 , which is man's number, as God number may be 333 or three in the trinity at Revelations 13:17-18......................... Then Jesus taught on the Holy Spirit throughout His ministry alone with end times, and told that when you listened to Him, you listen to God, and Jesus talked of Father God and Him are the only ones who could forgive sin against heaven .... See the dogma of the trinity is from Heaven and not the ideas of man.
The Gospel of John describes the Trinity in vivid and lengthy detail. When Jesus is speaking to his disciples for the last time.
(You will notice it if you have a red-letter Bible highlighting the words of Jesus.)
Forgive me, but it's really stupid and childish to try to deny the Trinity being in the Bible.
Neither Jesus, Mary & Joseph , all his apostles, even the first century church Never even heard of such a Doctrine.
the TRINITY is a Doctrine of Man, formulated 350 years after Christ, at the church council of 381 AD.
Satan Deceived the whole world !
exactly, it's a false teaching! if the HS was a Being, part of Jesus and his Father. then why didn't Jesus mention him in these verses?
(John 10:30 I and the Father are one), what about this third being?
(Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour know no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father), if the HS were a Being part of Jesus and his Father. then again, why wasn't he even mentioned? as we can CLEARLY see, (if we wanted to), EVERYONE was mention except the HS. why wasn't "HE" mention? peace
The Gospel of John describes the Trinity in vivid and lengthy detail. When Jesus is speaking to his disciples for the last time.
(You will notice it if you have a red-letter Bible highlighting the words of Jesus.)
Forgive me, but it's really stupid and childish to try to deny the Trinity being in the Bible.
Not at all stupid or childish...
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