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God, if it is a real god, with all its attributes, IS everything. It IS anything you want to call it. A stem of grass, a bird in the sky, a star in the farthest galaxy, a flesh, a spirit, a thought, a rock.
You are simply idling in casuistic rhetoric, forgetting, that you are not discussing a man with some odd fetures claimed. You are discussing EVERYTHING in whatever forms, you could possibly think of.
What is there to argue about? Whatever you conceive of in your mental exercises, no matter how strange it may appear, IS god.
IMO, He doesn't need to transform himself into anything. It's what He already is.
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Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn
I didn't ask the question that way. The question isn't will He, but can He.
Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it isn't an answer.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
There is no question and no need for any magical thinking. Of course, God's Spirit (His consciousness) IS the unified field that manifests as our Reality in its myriad forms. There is nothing BUT God's Spirit manifesting as our Reality (flesh, spirit, stars, galaxies, planets, moons, life in all its variety). Our view of it from the inside as separate things is what confuses us.
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Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn
Nice little dance around the question.
Your inability to alter your perspective to see the answer does NOT mean it is dancing. It IS the answer.
The question is, can God transform Himself into flesh or spirit if He chooses? Once we can answer, then we can explore the yes He can, or no He can't/won't.
Is God capable of transforming himself into flesh and spirit? or not? We must first answer that question.
Remember we're talking about the infinite capacity of God... so I for one will NEVER confine my God into a human finite understanding of what must be or what can't be. His understanding is not our understanding...
With that said, we must give an account of what we know to be true or what we think to be true, to those around us ... including ourselves. There is nothing wrong with saying or believing "I don't get it" or don't believe that. The failure would be to QUIT seeking truth and wisdom. I would only say, don't be luke warm about it and you know why.
God doesn't judge on intellectual capacity, biblical knowledge, passage remembrance or understanding (unless you teach), but he does judge on moral choices we make.
... just sayin'
He not only is capable of becoming flesh and, I assume you mean 'human' spirit since as God he already is Spirit, but the second person of the Trinity did just that as John 1:1 compared with John 1:14, and Philippians 2:5-8 state. The writer of 2nd John called those who denied that Jesus came in the flesh deceivers and antichrist in 2nd John 7.
He not only is capable of becoming flesh and, I assume you mean 'human' spirit since as God he already is Spirit, but the second person of the Trinity did just that as John 1:1 compared with John 1:14, and Philippians 2:5-8 state. The writer of 2nd John called those who denied that Jesus came in the flesh deceivers and antichrist in 2nd John 7.
Ladies and gentlemen... we have a yes.
See... it can be done, thanks for restoring my faith in believers.
God, if it is a real god, with all its attributes, IS everything. It IS anything you want to call it. A stem of grass, a bird in the sky, a star in the farthest galaxy, a flesh, a spirit, a thought, a rock.
You are simply idling in casuistic rhetoric, forgetting, that you are not discussing a man with some odd fetures claimed. You are discussing EVERYTHING in whatever forms, you could possibly think of.
What is there to argue about? Whatever you conceive of in your mental exercises, no matter how strange it may appear, IS god.
You're talking about pantheism. The Bible does not teach pantheism. The Bible teaches that God brought all things into existence, not that God is that which He created. God did not create Himself or any part of Himself. You personally may have pantheistic views but understand that such a view is not biblical and not a part of, at least, mainstream Christianity.
Just because you don't like the answer does not mean it isn't an answer.
Your inability to altr your perspective to see the answer does NOT mean it is dancing. It IS the answer.
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Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn
@ Mystic and Katzpur
No it isn't ... now you're avoiding the question.
The question is, can God transform Himself into flesh or spirit if He chooses? Once we can answer, then we can explore the yes He can, or no He can't/won't.
"So let your yes be yes, and your no be no".
Think! If His Spirit already transforms into the myriad aspects of our Reality, how can there even be a question about whether or not He can????? He already DOES transform His Spirit in an infinite number of ways. Stop trying to project whatever rigid DOCTRINE you seek to defend and think about what is being said. Use your head instead of your "precepts and doctrines of men."
Have the nonbelievers stopped to consider WHY they would rather identify using traditional labels?
Why not New Age if that is the doctrine you follow?
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