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View Poll Results: With King Charles III ascending to the throne, do you support Australia and/or New Zealand to transi
Remain as the Commonwealth of Australia 28 40.58%
Transition to the Republic of Australia 36 52.17%
Remain as the Realm of New Zealand 19 27.54%
Transition to the Republic of New Zealand 24 34.78%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-11-2022, 03:47 AM
 
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The PM, Anthony Albanese, has indicated that the Republican debate won’t be raised during his first term:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/qu...5-9cfea38beb5f

In other news, Thursday 22nd September, has been made a Public Holiday to mourn the Queen.
Looks like the Queens birthday holiday in qld which is held in the first week of October will proceed as the kings birthday holiday.
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:48 AM
 
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Could the parliaments of Australia and New Zealand simply refuse to pass an Act of Succession in their respective countries and force a referendum on a republic?
No. The chain is in the constitution.
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Old 09-11-2022, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Not loyal to communism but the Golden Visa, principally used by extremely rich Chinese has done us few favours.

Migrants, as other countries have found, should not be able to buy their way in.

It is because The Commonwealth, is not based on economic outcomes, making the symbolic nature of it something of value, in a world of corruption and little integrity , that in itself is something unique.
While I agree people shouldn't should be able to buy their way in that is unfortunately how it is, not just in Australia but throughout the world and I can't see it changing soon. Funny enough one of the founders of Google proved just how easy it was when he was quickly granted New Zealand residency so he can enter New Zealand during the pandemic. Remember when all those Hollywood celebrities were bragging about being able to enter Australia and how they were able to self Quarntine in their mansions while Australian residents couldn't even see their own dying family members across states.

The commonwealth is a hangover from the British Empire, it was created in a period when Britain still had an Empire like a few other European nations, in the following decades it's position in the world collapsed and new superpowers and more relevant Unions have formed. As irrelevant as the commonwealth is it does still serve a purpose and corruption has been reported in it's organisation such as contracts being awarded to personal friends leading to Boris Johnson opposing the reappointment of the Secretariat. Personally I see the commonwealth as a way for those to hold on to a past that no longer exists or will ever exist again. This is why it is essentially ignored. All the commonwealth nations are more focused on creating active agreements with other nations which thoroughly benefit them. The UN, EU, Nato, Five eyes, AUKUS etc are all examples of such agreements and Unions which play an active role in providing economic, intelligence and/or military benefits
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:19 PM
 
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The commonwealth is a hangover from the British Empire, it was created in a period when Britain still had an Empire like a few other European nations, in the following decades it's position in the world collapsed and new superpowers and more relevant Unions have formed.
Agree. No one outside of Britain (more probably England) really cares about the Commonwealth. It's a neat little trick that lets the English still think they have an empire.
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Old 09-11-2022, 05:58 PM
 
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While I agree people shouldn't should be able to buy their way in that is unfortunately how it is, not just in Australia but throughout the world and I can't see it changing soon. Funny enough one of the founders of Google proved just how easy it was when he was quickly granted New Zealand residency so he can enter New Zealand during the pandemic. Remember when all those Hollywood celebrities were bragging about being able to enter Australia and how they were able to self Quarntine in their mansions while Australian residents couldn't even see their own dying family members across states.

The commonwealth is a hangover from the British Empire, it was created in a period when Britain still had an Empire like a few other European nations, in the following decades it's position in the world collapsed and new superpowers and more relevant Unions have formed. As irrelevant as the commonwealth is it does still serve a purpose and corruption has been reported in it's organisation such as contracts being awarded to personal friends leading to Boris Johnson opposing the reappointment of the Secretariat. Personally I see the commonwealth as a way for those to hold on to a past that no longer exists or will ever exist again. This is why it is essentially ignored. All the commonwealth nations are more focused on creating active agreements with other nations which thoroughly benefit them. The UN, EU, Nato, Five eyes, AUKUS etc are all examples of such agreements and Unions which play an active role in providing economic, intelligence and/or military benefits
While not the only country, others have tightened up on the selling of residence to the rich of other countries. Obviously there is little in the way of checks around how such wealth was obtained and recently the selling of such visas to the Cambodian rich and corrupt elite came out and rightfully questioned.

Just adds to the disappointing suspicion just how compromised the migration policy has become.

I rather see The Commonwealth as a benign collection of former (mostly) British connected states in some very loose alliance and mostly harmless in its structure.
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Old 09-11-2022, 06:01 PM
 
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Agree. No one outside of Britain (more probably England) really cares about the Commonwealth. It's a neat little trick that lets the English still think they have an empire.
Not quite true. Two non-British Imperial countries have joined over recent times. Rwanda and Mozambique. I don't think it has anything to do with Brit's thinking they have retain an empire. Nostalgia maybe.
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Old 09-11-2022, 07:36 PM
 
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Why do Australia (more towards republic) and New Zealand (continues to have King Charles III as head of state) differ in their response to this issue?

Jacinda Ardern expects New Zealand’s royal ties to ‘deepen’ under King Charles III
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ng-charles-iii

It also seems from the poll (although not scientific at all so we should all take this with a grain of salt) that Australia prefers republic while NZ remains as a Commonwealth realm.
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Old 09-11-2022, 07:44 PM
 
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Not quite true. Two non-British Imperial countries have joined over recent times. Rwanda and Mozambique. I don't think it has anything to do with Brit's thinking they have retain an empire. Nostalgia maybe.
Why did they join? Membership confers no real benefits, besides B grade sports tournament. If it's not about the English glorying in their past then what purpose does it serve? Why do the royals swoon around the Commonwealth when absolutely no one else cares about it? I don't get it.
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Old 09-11-2022, 08:02 PM
 
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Why do Australia (more towards republic) and New Zealand (continues to have King Charles III as head of state) differ in their response to this issue?

Jacinda Ardern expects New Zealand’s royal ties to ‘deepen’ under King Charles III
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ng-charles-iii

It also seems from the poll (although not scientific at all so we should all take this with a grain of salt) that Australia prefers republic while NZ remains as a Commonwealth realm.
I suspect that is more the opinion of the respective prime ministers, I am not sure if their is any real push for change in Australia. I would vote for a republic if a vote was had, however not fussed really.

Their has not been a change to the Australian Constitution since 1977, they voted in 4 changes in a single day in 1977, largely as a result of the infamous dismissal 2 year earlier.

The short is referendums are notoriously hard to get passed in Australia, they require approval by both houses of parliament, and then are put to a public vote. Which must be approved by a majority of the country and a majority of the states.
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Old 09-11-2022, 08:41 PM
 
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Why did they join? Membership confers no real benefits, besides B grade sports tournament. If it's not about the English glorying in their past then what purpose does it serve? Why do the royals swoon around the Commonwealth when absolutely no one else cares about it? I don't get it.
It plays a part especially among the smaller, otherwise almost forgotten nations, such as various islands . But besides that it is a gathering feast when they come together making a voice for such places.
A very harmless exercise in tradition of bringing together places of diverse differences spread over the world.

As for Rwanda and Mozambique, you would have to ask them. But shows not just relics from a long gone empire. Cyprus and Malta also retain their membership.
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