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On 2nd thots, Do get me started, because it's relevant to atheism. During the Soviet pact with Hitler, the British unions were sabotaging Britain's war effort. God knows why, since they knew what would happen to them if we got Hitler over here, but then the Unions have frequently been mistaken for a box of rocks.
But after Hitler attacked Russia, that all ended and we were all buddies. Then after the post war honeymoon, and the partition of Germany, ...well during my time In Office, i saw the palpable treachery of the Communist party and their poorly disguised beavering away for Russia.
It didn't fool any of us when the pimply teenage college drop outs in their Che Guevara T - shirts (in my considered opinion the only worthwhile thing "El Che" ever did was stop a bullet in Colombia) coming into the office and subverting the Union to serve the Marxist cause, claimed that they were different communists from the Russian ones. I saw how after the wall finally came down and the CCCP was finally thrown into a long overdue quicklime pit, the 'Socialist Workers' party became little more than a small but virulent terrorists' group.
The point being that I want to make, is while I was was beavering away to decriminalise Homosexuality, oppose the British Nazi racists and support Women's rights, despite them demanding that all men be chemically castrated and women should be legally compelled to wear flat cloth caps and smoke pipes, I was battling in the Unions to stop the tide of what the smirking little Stalinspawn called "Real Democracy" (1) subverting the Labour movement, root and branch to the end of making the UK another Cuba.
Oh yes, I was regarded as a Right winger, and they'd wonder what i was playing at speaking up for Liburl causes. Ah, you see it now? I was working not for a political party but for freedom and right, and if that gets a horse laugh from you people it got a horse laugh then, especially from the Union "Officials" paid(2) public money to spend their time working for the revolution, waiting to heckle me as I left the building in the evening.
So anyone who sees me as espousing some political view through atheism, is being misled by the political bias attached to their Own religious views (if any) and Freedom as the right, (I mean the right thing to do, not the political right ) is what drives me and politics concerns me hardly at all, and especially not since Brexit turned UK politics into a Baboon's buffet that not even Jesus could bring back from terminal leprosy.
(1) where they represented themselves as the centrists which meant that only the militant anacrhists were to the left of them and everything else was put on their Right.
(2) the Ringleader and principal Soviet evangelist eventually got slung out on his ear (I never heard why) and his office farewell was running through the building throwing down stink -bombs. I almost wish their was a hell so's he'd roast in it.
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I think Hitler was stuffed after Stalingrad. If anyone 'won the war' for us it was Russia. I do get annoyed when I hear Americans saying that they saved our arses in 1945. Had it not been for Pearl Harbour they would have let us get on with it. Their claim was that it was a European war and nowt to do with them. It was the same in WWI. They weren't interested in us until the Lusitania got torpedoed with the loss of American lives. They arrived at the last moment then too! Woodrow Wilson's 1916 election campaign slogan was “He Kept Us Out of War”.
I'm grateful for their help but they no more 'saved our arses' than the Canadians, Australians, Kiwis, Indians, French, Russians and a few more countries...most of which were in it with us from the beginning...not just arriving as the dust was settling!
I feel the same as you. Could we have done it without them? Probably.
I think Hitler was stuffed after Stalingrad. If anyone 'won the war' for us it was Russia. I do get annoyed when I hear Americans saying that they saved our arses in 1945. Had it not been for Pearl Harbour they would have let us get on with it. Their claim was that it was a European war and nowt to do with them. It was the same in WWI. They weren't interested in us until the Lusitania got torpedoed with the loss of American lives. They arrived at the last moment then too! Woodrow Wilson's 1916 election campaign slogan was “He Kept Us Out of War”.
I'm grateful for their help but they no more 'saved our arses' than the Canadians, Australians, Kiwis, Indians, French, Russians and a few more countries...most of which were in it with us from the beginning...not just arriving as the dust was settling!
I feel the same as you. Could we have done it without them? Probably.
I agree. While Stalingrad was an iconic sign that the war had turned, in itself, it wasn't significant. Blau was going wrong before that. And while Hitler's original plan - to go for the oil without which he could not continue to fight a war - was sound, after Blau had gone wrong, Hitler started to issue crazy orders about standing to the last man, and so they got encircled. While initially Stalin had no idea what to do but demand the army stand to the last man, he realised that he could not direct a war and let the generals do their job, and looked after supplying suitable equipment, like the Yakolev fighter, cold weather rifles and the T34, which could take on a Tiger.
For my money, it was Kursk that was the real turning point.
As for the Yanks, they really only missed out on the loss of France and Norway. They participated equally in North Africa and Italy and then D Day, and the slog after that as Germany was no pushover. And though the British won Burma back, America did the Pacific war pretty much themselves. Still, this should not become a military history thread, should it?
As for the Yanks, they really only missed out on the loss of France and Norway. They participated equally in North Africa and Italy and then D Day, and the slog after that as Germany was no pushover. And though the British won Burma back, America did the Pacific war pretty much themselves.
Yes. It was a joint effort between many nations. We all saved each others arse. I just wish they wouldn't keep going around the world expecting us to kneel before them in eternal thanks with little quips like... 'If it weren't for us, you would be speaking German now.'
Well, I'm happy to thank them for what they did even if they wouldn't have done it by choice. After all, who but some kind of fanatic WANTS to fight a war? But as you say, we can do without having our noses rubbed in it and, after all, if it wasn't for us, they'd all be speaking Spanish.
Well, I'm happy to thank them for what they did even if they wouldn't have done it by choice. After all, who but some kind of fanatic WANTS to fight a war? But as you say, we can do without having our noses rubbed in it and, after all, if it wasn't for us, they'd all be speaking Spanish.
ESTAMOS hablando español
OK, not really. Our signs are in Spanish and English, but that's no big deal. In my alternate universe, they're in French and English.
As long as I've got the food words down in any language, I'm good.
Well, I'm happy to thank them for what they did even if they wouldn't have done it by choice. After all, who but some kind of fanatic WANTS to fight a war? But as you say, we can do without having our noses rubbed in it and, after all, if it wasn't for us, they'd all be speaking Spanish.
Remember the British saying about the influx of Yanks during the war? "Overpaid, over sexed and over here."
The lingering resentments aren't really about who saved whom from the fascists, it is still about the jealousy generated when our American ancestors were swaggering about your island and stealing your women with their fat wallets and superior sexual prowess.
Remember the British saying about the influx of Yanks during the war? "Overpaid, over sexed and over here."
The lingering resentments aren't really about who saved whom from the fascists, it is still about the jealousy generated when our American ancestors were swaggering about your island and stealing your women with their fat wallets and superior sexual prowess.
Remember the British saying about the influx of Yanks during the war? "Overpaid, over sexed and over here."
The lingering resentments aren't really about who saved whom from the fascists, it is still about the jealousy generated when our American ancestors were swaggering about your island and stealing your women with their fat wallets and superior sexual prowess.
Yes, during the time they were getting ready to liberate Europe, they not only livened up the UK gene -pool but they virtually replenished our supply of stockings.
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I was working not for a political party but for freedom and right, and if that gets a horse laugh from you people it got a horse laugh then, especially from the Union "Officials" paid(2) public money to spend their time working for the revolution, waiting to heckle me as I left the building in the evening. 
) is what drives me and politics concerns me hardly at all, and especially not since Brexit turned UK politics into a Baboon's buffet that not even Jesus could bring back from terminal leprosy.
Well, I'm happy to thank them for what they did even if they wouldn't have done it by choice. After all, who but some kind of fanatic WANTS to fight a war? But as you say, we can do without having our noses rubbed in it and, after all, if it wasn't for us, they'd all be speaking Spanish.
