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Old 03-27-2022, 07:25 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Density in Wake due to many condos, apartment communities, etc, yes.

But, raw land? There is much more in Wake County than Durham or Mecklenburg. Western Wake is much closer to full build-out than southern or eastern Wake.
Wake County simply has more people per square mile. How it gets there isn't a secret and it is something that Durham can replicate or improve.
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Old 03-28-2022, 06:52 AM
 
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Those numbers for Person and Vance are abysmal. Even Vance's smaller neighbor county, Warren, gained 100 people in the same period for a total of 18,762.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...a,NC/PST045221
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:52 AM
 
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Can't speak to the situation in Person County, but the drop in Vance County mirrors the drop in the county seat, Henderson. The town population fell from 16,095 in 2000 to 14,911 in 2019. Bad publicity about crime and limited local economic development aren't helping.

Watershed restrictions in northern Durham County may be a limitation. No public water or sewer, and developers must mind the impervious surface rules or comply with stormwater controls.

I am surprised that Chatham's growth rate was less than half of Johnston's and Franklin's. But the statistics cover a short base period. The 2023 estimates might be a better indicator.
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Old 03-28-2022, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Can't speak to the situation in Person County, but the drop in Vance County mirrors the drop in the county seat, Henderson. The town population fell from 16,095 in 2000 to 14,911 in 2019. Bad publicity about crime and limited local economic development aren't helping.

Watershed restrictions in northern Durham County may be a limitation. No public water or sewer, and developers must mind the impervious surface rules or comply with stormwater controls.

I am surprised that Chatham's growth rate was less than half of Johnston's and Franklin's. But the statistics cover a short base period. The 2023 estimates might be a better indicator.
Yeah I wouldn't put too much stock in a 1 year snapshot for overall population trends; especially when that year is a period from 2020-2021.
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Old 03-28-2022, 01:32 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The overwhelming majority of that JoCo growth has to be in Clayton, right? I know west Clayton has been white hot for a bit now.
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Old 03-28-2022, 06:57 PM
 
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Reviewing the latest U.S. Census numbers, it appears that Vance is only one of 27 counties in North Carolina to lose population during the 2020-21 period surveyed. Here are the others that I could find:

Beaufort: -174 (44,468)
Bertie: -429 (17,505)
Bladen: -81 (29,525)
Caldwell: -189 (80,463)
Caswell: -22 (22,714)
Columbus: -531 (50,092)
Craven: -46 (100,674)
Duplin: -200 (48,515)
Edgecombe: -641 (48,359)
Gates: -112 (10,366)
Greene: -34 (20,417)
Halifax: -350 (48,272)
Hertford: -274 (21,278)
Hyde: -81 (4,508)
Lenoir: -416 (54,706)
Martin: -277 (21,754)
Northampton: -342 (17,129)
Richmond: -222 (42,724)
Robeson: -202 (116,328)
Sampson: -46 (58,990)
Surry: -207 (71,152)
Washington: -11 (10,892)
Wayne: -498 (116,835)
Wilkes: -163 (65,806)
Wilson: -415 (78,369)
Yadkin: -22 (37,192)

Of these counties, 16--Beaufort, Bertie, Bladen, Columbus, Craven, Duplin, Edgecombe, Gates, Greene, Hertford, Hyde, Lenoir, Martin, Sampson, Washington and Wayne--lie between I-95 and the coast. And four of them--Halifax, Northampton, Robeson and Wilson--have I-95 running through them and are considered part of the Coastal Plain as well. The only counties classified as the Piedmont beyond Vance are Caswell (northwest of Orange), Richmond (on the South Carolina border), and Surry and Yadkin (both adjacent to Forysth, home of Winston-Salem). The rest are in the mountains.
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Chapelboro
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Wonder how much COVID deaths impacted the population in some of those counties?
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Old 03-29-2022, 05:05 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I feel more than
Durham: +1,293 (326,126)
have move to Durham. I think more than 1,293 apartments/townhouses/single family houses have been built in the past 15 months.

"Durham and Mecklenburg are much closer to saturation buildout than Wake County is. Wake just still has more developable raw land available."
There's still land available in areas north of I-85.
I immediately thought of the same thing ("there's still land available in (Durham County) in areas north of 85"). We live outside of Bahama in northern Durham County and there's Alot of land available along the 501 corridor north out of Durham. Heck, Publix haphazardly tried and failed to get zoning approval to build their first Durham County store in north Durham near this corridor a few years back because it is a good area. But as mentioned by another poster, there's a watershed occupancy restriction or whatever it's called, up here. New construction SFHs in parts of northern Durham County are restricted *I think* to more than 2+ acres or somesuch, due to watershed into Lake Mickie or Little River Reservoir... so unless a developer is going to build big mcmansion subdivisions with 2+ acres per lot/per home, (ala the neighborhoods of Hardscrabble or Red Mountain or Black Horse Run) the growth out here will be slower than that of 1/5 acre per home subdivisions.

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Old 04-03-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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How accurate are these predictions anyhow? The 2020 census numbers fell markedly short of them.
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Old 04-03-2022, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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If Franklin County’s estimates are accurate and sustained, the county could leapfrog over 100,000 people by 2030. That would bolster arguments for extending US 1 as a freeway into Franklin, perhaps to Henderson County.

2010-2020 census change says otherwise about the whole speeding up thing. Also why are you so desperate for another highway?
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