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Lol, no time for a full length movie right now but say, when do y'all reckon that Messiah will come out of that Veitmanese land?
it is not a full length movie
it is only 10 minutes
the Messiah will not come out of that Veitmanese land
at the time of the antichrist Allah will send Jesus 'Eisa bin Maryam, who will come down at the white lighthouse in the east of Damascus,
this white lighthouse it can be within the city of Damascus to the east side or outside Damascus to the east.
Since the beginning of history, all those who have claimed to be prophets have been, at their worst, evasive, and at their best, suffering from psychological problems.
A person suffering from schizophrenia does not mean that he is crazy and irrational
He is fully rational, but he sees and hears things that are not apparent to anyone else.
The Mormon Church acknowledged that its founder, Joseph Smith, married about forty women, including Henry's 14-year-old girl and others who were wives of his followers, and retracted its insistence for two hundred years that he was married to only one woman.
another one is Paul
Fair point, Joseph Smith and Paul claimed to have their revelations from angels, whereas Muhammad ..., oh, wait.
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Christ, peace be upon him, died and did not dictate the Gospel to his disciples,
as the Prophet Muhammad - may God bless him and grant him peace - did.
Except Muhammad is the alleged messenger (like Paul and Joseph Smith), not the divine being, so your claim is just as valid as Paul and Joseph Smith passing the message on.
Also, the Christians DO claim the disciples DID record the words of Jesus.
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Rather, he left his teachings in the hearts, and did not leave many followers, as his disciples - the Apostles - were twelve men, including Judas Iscariot, the traitor.
After him, they were subjected to severe persecution and dispersed throughout the country.
Immediately after the rise of Christ, peace be upon him, a man called (Saul) entered Christianity, and he was called after that ( Paul) [10 AD - 67 AD],
and he is the one who founded today's Christianity. Almost everything that exists today in Christianity goes back to “Paul the Apostle,” as they call him, as he is the true apostle of Christianity.
This man was Jewish by father and mother, extremely fanatical towards his religion,
studied philosophy under the most famous teachers of his time, had the greatest hatred for Christianity, and was veiled in hostility to this new religion.
He was a thief who robbed churches and synagogues overnight, and in a story that did not It is narrated by others, and the accounts of supporters as well as opponents conflict about it.
Paul was transformed into an “apostle” from “the Lord of Glory Jesus[1].”
He claimed that (the Lord Jesus) appeared to him on his way to Damascus and blamed him for his hostility to him and his followers, and ordered him to be his messenger to the people to speak to them with the tongue of Christ - peace be upon him.
Yes, the claim is the bad boy turned the good guy when he spoke to an angelic Jesus. Just like Joseph Smith spoke to Moroni.
Since the disciples were few, persecuted and dispersed, and the Jews were in control, Paul began to speak whatever he pleased. The title of “Apostle” was imposed on him, and he was not - not even for a single day - one of the disciples of Christ - peace be upon him -.
What did Paul do?!
He isolated Christ - peace be upon him - and made him a god to be worshiped with God, and he took on the role of the messenger.
With all the meanings of the word messenger, he was permitted and prohibited, and he wrote letters to the countries, and his letters were later included in the (Holy) Book. He created the most dangerous religious deviation known to humanity, which is what is known as Christianity today. . . All Christians venerate Paul, and he is to all of them a messenger from the Lord of Glory, Jesus.
. Just like Muhammad! It is the same basic story, Angel -> venerated messenger -> other people.
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime.
Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries,
so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
any one can claim any thing but it worthless without no supported facts and evidance
Among the Muslims in this era there are people who got and memorized the Quran orally from someone who got it and memorized it also orally .. and so on until they reach to the time of the final prophet
and they got it and memorized it orally from the Prophet
and the Prophet got it orally from Gabriel and Gabriel got from Allah.
And if you hear all the Quran from them ,
every one will say the same thing
and also if you compare what they said to the first written copy of the Quran you will find them identical.
no relegion can show the chain transmation except the final one .
Apart from Christianity and Mormonism, who make exactly the same basic claim as you do.
Fair point, Joseph Smith and Paul claimed to have their revelations from angels, whereas Muhammad ..., oh, wait.
Except Muhammad is the alleged messenger (like Paul and Joseph Smith), not the divine being, so your claim is just as valid as Paul and Joseph Smith passing the message on.
Also, the Christians DO claim the disciples DID record the words of Jesus.
. Just like Muhammad! It is the same basic story, Angel -> venerated messenger -> other people.
Like me, once you are convinced writings are the writings of God, anything can be overcome. I think I can prove my scriptures are the word of God, it would just take somebody willing to study alot. Truth thinks his writings is the word of God, I am glad he believes in something.
any one can claim any thing but it worthless without no supported facts and evidance
Bingo! Surely the walls in that glass house must be shattered by now??
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Among the Muslims in this era there are people who got and memorized the Quran orally from someone who got it and memorized it also orally .. and so on until they reach to the time of the final prophet
and they got it and memorized it orally from the Prophet
and the Prophet got it orally from Gabriel and Gabriel got from Allah. [.....]
Thanks for the colorful flow chart. Problem is, the sources for all this "supported facts and evidence" are .......... (wait for it).......... the very same humans who did all this memorizing and recording. Not exactly independent, disinterested, reliable sources.
When a new child is born and comes into our present world,
We realize that he has been living for nine months
in a different world inside his mother's womb, but he does not realize it
He does not realize that there is someone ready to receive him and take care of him.
Likewise, when we die, we will move from this present world to another world in between
The present life and the last day
And there will be some creatures from that world who will receive us
Only the dead will be able to realize this
The dead person will be asked specific questions
Based on his answers and believes he will be in hell or heaven
Thanks for the colorful flow chart. Problem is, the sources for all this "supported facts and evidence" are .......... (wait for it).......... the very same humans who did all this memorizing and recording. Not exactly independent, disinterested, reliable sources.
The Source is The Prophet Mahammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
and he is a human
and any one can say he invented this book and claimed to be from Allah
but this book contains information and knowledge that could not be mentioned by any human being
at the time 1440 years ago
and this is considred the eternal miracle that is still active until our current life
Allah showed the previous generations many miracle and did not leave us witohout any miracle
We know where messiah comes from concerning the bible, the messiah comes out of Judah, not some foreign land, messiah has to be in the line of David, in David.
The first coming of Messiah if you believe in Jesus, Jesus came out of Joseph, the son of Joseph fulfilling the prophesies specifically written about a messiah saying," I will take my son out of Egypt," that prophesy is of the son of Joseph, not the son of a Gentile, but an Israeli son.
Jesus has to repeat and fulfill the life of Joseph. Joseph was rejected as head of the family by all his brethren. Joseph was thrown into a pit wherein there was no water representing hell. Joseph was sold to the Gentiles where he became a co ruler with pharaoh to all the Gentiles just like Jesus became co ruler inside of his Gentile believers, and Joseph had two sons just like Jesus.
The family of Joseph presumed him to be dead all those years just like the Jews assume Jesus has been dead all these years, and the story of Joseph will continue to play out.
The most moving story of the bible, Israel would not see the face of Joseph lest they produce his own brother Benjamin, and so it is with Jesus, none will see his face lest they produce his brother Benjamin and Benjamin is Jerusalem. Benjamin is born within a believe as a seed that becomes a child where you feed that child the milk of the word so he can mature to eat the meat of the word, and when he has matured, he is the brethren of Christ, " Benjamin."
Benjamin is that secret name of Revelation and Benjamin is the only tribe contained in both nations of Israel, the nation of Judah, and the nation of Israel.
BECAUSE Paul was a non Jewish Israeli who had converted back to Judaism to become a Jew, Jesus chose him. Paul was a non Jewish Israeli of the tribe of Benjamin who became a Jew, and Paul used the story of his own adoption to say that Gentiles could also be adopted as he was. Paul said concerning his adoption," See, it's not if the Jews only, but it is also to us non Jews." Paul had converted as an Israeli who became a Jew through conversion.
When Messiah reveals himself to Benjamin, it is going to be the most moving instance in all of history.
Messiah will come and reveal himself to all Jews, to all his family in what is famously known as, " FACE TO FACE."
Messiah will ONLY have his own blood family at this face to face, and all of Israel will be heard wailing, and the story will 0lay out exactly how it did with Joseph.
Messiah will tell all of them " See, your rejection of me was meant to be, and because of your rejection we have saved the entire world." If Joseph would not have been rejected by his brethren, nobody would have lived because there would be no food
Just as it was with Joseph, messiah reveals himself to the family and the family is appointed the shepherds of all the land being able to choose out any land they desired.
Messiah will first come to all the Jews, he will reveal himself, and he will put them in a place of honor.
Likewise, when we die, we will move from this present world to another world in between
The present life and the last day
And there will be some creatures from that world who will receive us
Only the dead will be able to realize this
The dead person will be asked specific question
Based on his answers and believes he will be in hell or heaven
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“When a person is placed in his grave and his companions leave him,
and he can no longer hear the sound of their sandals (footsteps),
two angels come to him and make him sit up, and they ask him,
‘What did you say about this man Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)?’
He says, ‘I bear witness that he is the slave of Allah and His Messenger.’
It is said, ‘Look at your place in Hell which Allah has replaced for you with a place in Paradise.’”
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said,
“And he sees them both.
But as for the kaafir or hypocrite, he says,
‘I do not know, I used to say what the people said.’
It is said, ‘You did not know and you did not follow those who knew.’
Then he is struck a blow with an iron hammer between his ears
and he screams a scream which everything around him can hear apart from the two races (of mankind and the jinn)
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. Just like Muhammad! It is the same basic story, Angel -> venerated messenger -> other people.
